devilhand -> Air on G flamenco version? (May 7 2024 15:08:25)
Has anyone listened to Play Bach series of Jacques Loussier? A fusion of jazz and classical music. But to me this is how flamenco version of Air on G should sound. Played on piano. When you transcribe it for guitar and play it on guitar... There would be a lot of thumb work and picado. Anyone thoughts? Which one do you like more?
Classical guitar version
Jacques Loussier interpretation
xirdneH_imiJ -> RE: Air on G flamenco version? (May 7 2024 16:16:08)
devilhand -> RE: Air on G flamenco version? (May 8 2024 1:33:31)
It's good. But I prefer the piano version. Sometimes I think musical forms in flamenco might have been written and played originally on piano.
estebanana -> RE: Air on G flamenco version? (May 8 2024 4:39:25)
Bach is for sissies and men who can’t cut the flamenco mustard
estebanana -> RE: Air on G flamenco version? (May 8 2024 6:46:43)
Gavin Buckley a guitarist in Gerona has a seven string guitar I built for him in 2010. He’s working out the Air
This guitar is for sale in the EU - if interested in details contact me
Ricardo -> RE: Air on G flamenco version? (May 8 2024 13:49:18)
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ORIGINAL: devilhand
It's good. But I prefer the piano version. Sometimes I think musical forms in flamenco might have been written and played originally on piano.
“Think” whatever you want, as you often do. The facts are that neither Bach, nor the earliest Flamenco music was realized for piano, rather for the HARPSICHORD. The earliest scored Fandango with proper copla is by Felix Maximo Lopez, for harpsichord, circa 1800 (copla at 1 minute). What I personally think is that Flamenco is older than Bach even, and realized at first for the Vihuela and/or guitar, based on vocal music (Flemish style polyphony aka “cante”). To my ear, Maximo lopez is imitating arpeggiated right hand figures of the flamenco guitarists. I doubt that gitano guitarists would have tried to play harpsichord music by ear. The earliest classical guitar music that might use these figures appears some 40 years later (and again, more likely imitating the flamenco players).
Here is the best version of the “Air”, this is not for debate, case closed.
EDIT: I always felt weird about the “G string” thing with this piece, because it is very unlike Bach to compose with this type of indication. Turns out, it is a much later Romantic arrangement of the piece:
Yngwie's historically correct attribution “Air” (as it appears on ATTACK solo album) is also more appropriate. G string is for strippers.
Stu -> RE: Air on G flamenco version? (May 8 2024 14:08:14)
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“Think” whatever you want, as you often do.
[:D][:D]
I have a feeling he will continue to do exactly that
estebanana -> RE: Air on G flamenco version? (May 8 2024 17:08:53)
Yes indeed the harpsichord is a plucked instrument with an action that really plucks the string with a feather quill. Think of what PdL could have with one.
One off my favorite Bach Air recordings
devilhand -> RE: Air on G flamenco version? (May 9 2024 18:27:28)
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ORIGINAL: estebanana
Bach is for sissies and men who can’t cut the flamenco mustard
For those (excluding flamenco guitarists) who want to play melody of a pop song on guitar. Look at his right hand. It's easy kid level.
xirdneH_imiJ -> RE: Air on G flamenco version? (May 9 2024 20:18:44)
You're missing the point - it's music, you're supposed to listen, rather than watch if he's doing anything flashy with his right hand. Pat Metheny played with a pick most of his life, and his goal is not to show off, but to interpret a pretty song he likes, his own way. That said, while for flamenco guitarists this would technically be easy, there's not a single unclean note there and perfectly does he intends. Now, I really would love to see you play something easy in any genre, you seem to be such a critic, ****ting on legends all the time.
devilhand -> RE: Air on G flamenco version? (May 10 2024 22:27:08)
It's no surprise you read a post like this on a flamenco forum. After all, flamenco guitarists right hand technique is the most developed. As for Pat Metheny I don't know much about him. So I can't say if he's a legend or not.
Stu -> RE: Air on G flamenco version? (May 11 2024 16:49:43)
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I don't know much about him. So I can't say ...
It's never stopped you before!! [:D]
Stu -> RE: Air on G flamenco version? (May 11 2024 16:51:15)
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Bach is for sissies and men who can’t cut the flamenco mustard
[:D] 👍
estebanana -> RE: Air on G flamenco version? (May 12 2024 14:45:53)
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ORIGINAL: Stu
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Bach is for sissies and men who can’t cut the flamenco mustard
[:D] 👍
Just think if there was an airline called Bach Air and they specifically only carried musicians and their instruments. And they didn’t break guitars.
