"Glória al Niño Ricardo" (Full Version)

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machopicasso -> "Glória al Niño Ricardo" (Aug. 5 2023 5:25:26)

Where are the references to Ricardo in Paco's Soleá?

Given the title, I would expect there to be some. But I don't know Ricardo's work well enough to recognize them.







Ricardo -> RE: "Glória al Niño Ricardo" (Aug. 5 2023 16:13:25)

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ORIGINAL: machopicasso

Where are the references to Ricardo in Paco's Soleá?

Given the title, I would expect there to be some. But I don't know Ricardo's work well enough to recognize them.






Outside of the basic traditional ideas por Arriba, Paco is simply acknowledging the maestro he learned so much from, yet has long since abandoned copying note by note. Generally speaking, those spots where he moves up to position 7 such as at 1:30 and 2:30 in the first video, have a lot of the flavor of Ricardo’s style. Keep in mind in Solea proper (for cante) we often capo so high that these types of passages are not practical and so a very Ricardo-soloist type of thing. Basically Ricardo was opening up the concept up high there as “por medio in transposition”, which today we take for granted but in his time was very innovative. At the same time Paco is not leaving out other influences such as Sabicas (those Bb chords in context) or Montoya (the open position ligados and the Caña ending).




machopicasso -> RE: "Glória al Niño Ricardo" (Aug. 7 2023 3:44:41)

Thanks! That's helpful.




Ricardo -> RE: "Glória al Niño Ricardo" (Aug. 7 2023 16:05:00)

By the way, a few years back there was a transcription of the opening of this solea and a deep theory discussion about it.

http://www.foroflamenco.com/tm.asp?m=317583&appid=&p=&mpage=1&key=dissertation&tmode=&smode=&s=#317583




machopicasso -> RE: "Glória al Niño Ricardo" (Aug. 8 2023 5:07:26)

Perfect. I just started learning this piece. Thanks!




Romerito -> RE: "Glória al Niño Ricardo" (Aug. 9 2023 0:43:27)

The falseta at 1:53 starts on 12, not 1. Faucher and others deliberately or unwittingly begin on one. However, begin where you wish.




Ricardo -> RE: "Glória al Niño Ricardo" (Aug. 9 2023 17:22:02)

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ORIGINAL: Romerito

The falseta at 1:53 starts on 12, not 1. Faucher and others deliberately or unwittingly begin on one. However, begin where you wish.


Agreed meaning in original recording not either of the linked videos (where the same falseta occurs at 1:38 in both, meaning Paco was a machine LOL):

https://youtube.com/watch?v-LnIagLAnHvA




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