RobF -> RE: Jerry Lobdill's Flamenco Items (Mar. 31 2023 20:01:52)
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ORIGINAL: Ricardo Expert opinion hardly matters in this case. What matters is what a buyer might want (the name on the label is important in other words). Just put on eBay, and people that want instruments with those names on the label will likely drive the price up as bidding continues. It is not that complex. If the guitars move at the old appraisal prices, then profit was made and goes to the cause. Likely the names on the labels will drive the price higher than those appraisals. In fact showing those photos might work in favor of the seller (included in the package) vs. a “buy it now” price tag. IMO. The appraisals are almost fifty years old, lol. I hear what you’re saying but we have to take into account what’s been going on in the collectable markets since the pandemic, and not just with guitars. Prices on select collectables have gone through the roof, not just due to the pandemic effect, but also from crypto money laundering coupled with the recent realization/trend that money can be “parked” in desirable objects. It’s no longer only a North American and European market, the big money players aren’t from there and couldn’t care less about the objects. But it does have significance to the prices being realized for the right collectable. The numbers I floated were more of less pulled out of my hat, but I wanted to let Beau know both his items are very sellable and desirable because that’s why he reached out to us. That being said, I suspect both figures are probably low, or if not low, easily realized. Also, and I can’t speak for Beau’s situation, there are ethical and possibly legal obligations or guidelines to consider when disposing of someone else’s property. Getting an expert evaluation, in that regard, is not only the responsible way to proceed for his uncle’s benefit, but is also possibly significant for his own protection. I’m not sure what ‘factories’ existed back then, save to say the Esteso guitar comes from an era where the widespread adoption of the Torres models had only been recently established by Manuel Ramirez. I can’t speculate on any of that, my gut suggests it came from his workshop, but it’s beyond my level and I simply don’t know. Maybe Echi can weigh in because he likely could add a lot to the discussion. But, it is well known and documented that Esteso, along with other Spanish makers, supplied guitars to Romero y Fernandez. It’s also known that even then makers provided (and made) different grades of instruments. Why would it be any different from today, where many makers have student or budget variations of their models? It was also probably standard for a supplier/importer to order a range of instrument grades. Again, I don’t know, but it’s not out the the realm of possibility that Esteso made the guitar. I am certain this question could easily be answered by a number of experts. Regardless, a playable guitar from the shop of one of the most significant makers of the past century has value. I wouldn’t sell either of those guitars short. Putting them up with starting prices based on appraisals from 1976 would be, I mean I don’t even know what to say, maybe that’s not what you’re suggesting. $1500 in 1976 could buy a lot of guitar. *edit* just an aside, completely unrelated to selling stuff….Just look at the plantilla on the Esteso. It’s freaking gorgeous. Also, look at how the head is blended into the neck, then go look at modern Condes. The rosette might let it down compared to more expensive models, but look inside at the woodwork, it’s all proper. It may be an economical model but there’s a lot to appreciate there. The Ramirez is quite pretty, too.
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