Ricardo -> RE: tutorial recommendation (Jan. 26 2023 12:01:43)
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ORIGINAL: kitarist What Paco Cepero is doing here is a bit different overall from what you described for the eight strokes, as shown below (your description comes from taking what you updated/corrected of hamia's eight-stroke list). Is what Paco is doing the Jerez way of doing rumba? Why is it different from what you described in several ways (e.g. in 1. thumb is free, not rested; no 'a' golpe; in 3. it is P down, not ima down; in 4. there is no golpe(?); 5. does not seem to match)? Please let me know if I transcribed some Cepero movements wrong. Ok, well, the thing I wrote is what he is doing. When you say thumb is “free” on stroke 1 you imply it did not come from a RESTED position (hand is closing and thumb is freeing due to the stroke itself). The rest was achieved with stroke 7, carried through stroke 8 (which you have correct, but if people start the stroke from a FREE position in the air, it is misleading that they might be able to remove the rested thumb after stroke 8). Stroke 2, the thumb comes up but doesn’t touch, and he uses i to make the sound rather than striking with ami all together. The wrist has to move (supinate) in order for that thumb to move that way, so the exact same mechanic is involved. The reason for this, and the other strokes (as we see moving foward) are not exaggerated is because he has LEAD GUITAR VOLUME. You don’t play exaggerated and hard unless the volume is balanced (hence the guy on the street doing the same mechanics but hard and exaggerated). I suspect the volume issue is the main reason you notice discrepancies between Cepero and what I wrote/describe/street guy is doing. Even the first stroke is soft as it does not sweep the entire chord, just the basses. So stoke 3 the thumb and index move DOWN, however, it is NOT the thumb striking the strings it is the index, and he is getting the thumb UNDER the strings for stroke 4. Again, he has relatively correct dynamics here but exaggerated up would be explosive, like his rasgueado, and not what he is going for there because of Volume (ie dynamics). 5 is the only spot that is a bit different, he does not do the exaggerated plant golpe like the French gitano, he just does a light golpe (or nothing, leaving a space). What you see as AMI moving down, is NOT striking the strings. It is moving down, but as his dynamics are deliberately soft, it is not audible if he is doing the golpe touch there. Spaces are dangerous for students so I recommend the plant golpe (am down on soundboard…actually it looks like that is what he is doing after the first go). It is important to note that you attribute Hamia erroneous combined stroke 5 to MY stroke 4, which I had to take time to correct earlier. The thing is, in order to achieve the basic plant golpe IN TIME, after the thumb up (stroke 4) the fingers have to sweep across the string if the hand is closed. When the stroke 4 is exaggerated the hand opens and the fingers simply fall downward to the soundboard on 5. For me “stroke” refers to timing positions. The French tutorial was trying to teach the connection between 4 and 5 as a single “mechanic”. Stroke 6, again, sometimes it is only i up making the sound as AMI is stronger dynamically. 7 is the mute where he sets up the rested thumb on 5th string (the side thumb golpe can’t be achieved due to the Am chord voicing). This tied to 8 and back to 1, are the main reason I said “FINALLY” in my description, because nobody else was doing that thing in any video I saw so far other than the OP street guy. Cepero’s back up guy is also not doing the mute and set up, rather an open down stroke. The final stroke 8 of Cepero, is again i only up, like 2 and 6. The “jerezano” thing was a joke really, Rumba is often called “Catalana” implying from Barcelona mainly, and Cepero would have rubbed elbows with these guys in Madrid tablaos. I don’t know who first invents the muted stroke etc., but the main point is, if Cepero was doing it, it was already pervasive as “standard” in the way I think of it. Hence my earlier frustration as to not finding people doing it as if it was some super specific thing rather than standard.
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