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mark indigo -> RE: Bulerias Upstrokes (Jan. 5 2023 23:17:31)

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I was told you should not use a metronome all the time, it’s breeds mechanical playing.


https://y.yarn.co/edbdebcc-50f1-4e55-9ef3-6fdc8e050a95_text.mp4




trivium91 -> RE: Bulerias Upstrokes (Jan. 5 2023 23:22:38)

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Absolutely nobody in this thread said such a thing. Metronome is essential in order to keep the ball bouncing. Metronome is the flat ground. Unless you want to learn to dribble on the stairs, always use a metronome. I said avoid the flamenco pattern specific metronomes, because they don’t teach you to focus on groove that a basic click teaches you to control. Flamenco metronomes are useful if you are already advanced and composing or trying out ideas, but not for learning how to control time.



thanks, so simply tap every other beat and set the metronome to the same? If I have a tempo of 180 bpms, I can then set the metronome to click at 80BPM? Is there any benefit in spending a bunch of time learning the tap that kai uses? or just stick to tapping every other beat?




Brendan -> RE: Bulerias Upstrokes (Jan. 6 2023 0:02:19)

What Mark said!

Here is a video with a nice clear view of Diego’s foot:

https://youtu.be/NGGAqndvY2o

He taps every other beat most of the time, except when he plays a bit of basic compás as a bridge between letra and falseta. Then, just for that spot, he does the a-tap-tap-a-tap-tap thing Kai demonstrated.

You should have all these rhythms in some part of your body.

Main point: bulerías isn’t a rhythm. It’s a rhythmic aesthetic.




trivium91 -> RE: Bulerias Upstrokes (Jan. 6 2023 0:09:30)

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ORIGINAL: Brendan

What Mark said!

Here is a video with a nice clear view of Diego’s foot:

https://youtu.be/NGGAqndvY2o

He taps every other beat most of the time, except when he plays a bit of basic compás as a bridge between letra and falseta. Then, just for that spot, he does the a-tap-tap-a-tap-tap thing Kai demonstrated.

You should have all these rhythms in some part of your body.

Main point: bulerías isn’t a rhythm. It’s a rhythmic aesthetic.

Yeah I guess I just have to practice my falsettas and slow practice in tapping my foot every other beat. I mean it’s one thing to hear it and feel it that way, but another to ask your foot to tap without even thinking about it. I suppose it’s no different from any other falsetta that is really hard at first but feels almost second nature in a week or so. So really it’s just a question of adding this to each falsetta so that it feels like second nature.




Ricardo -> RE: Bulerias Upstrokes (Jan. 6 2023 12:00:38)

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ORIGINAL: trivium91

quote:

ORIGINAL: Brendan

What Mark said!

Here is a video with a nice clear view of Diego’s foot:

https://youtu.be/NGGAqndvY2o

He taps every other beat most of the time, except when he plays a bit of basic compás as a bridge between letra and falseta. Then, just for that spot, he does the a-tap-tap-a-tap-tap thing Kai demonstrated.

You should have all these rhythms in some part of your body.

Main point: bulerías isn’t a rhythm. It’s a rhythmic aesthetic.

Yeah I guess I just have to practice my falsettas and slow practice in tapping my foot every other beat. I mean it’s one thing to hear it and feel it that way, but another to ask your foot to tap without even thinking about it. I suppose it’s no different from any other falsetta that is really hard at first but feels almost second nature in a week or so. So really it’s just a question of adding this to each falsetta so that it feels like second nature.


Mark had linked the video where I was learning Tomatito’s falseta as per someone’s request years ago. So instead of trying to add your foot tap UNDER the falseta you already know how to play, you want to construct the falseta from the ground up, as I do from the very start of that video. Not thinking of the big picture, but one small phrase at a time, one single beat to the next. And notice that I repeatedly loop each phrase several times before moving on to the next beat. That is in order to get used to the flow and feel at tempo. There was a tricky spot near the end where I had to slow down my foot tap deliberately to get it together before incorporating it in with the rest of the falseta at tempo. And after I get each short phrase mastered I will go back to the very beginning so I get used to how it all flows together.

By the time I was done (8 minutes later) I had the entire falseta tied together with the foot tap, because that is how I constructed it from the start. The 12-count or whatever it is, emerges only at the end once I have got it all together. I was never thinking about that while I was learning. Other than I know it started on count 12. The rest just works itself out as long as I do each phrase correctly. This particular falseta often begins phrases on a red slot (contra Tiempo) before the foot tap.




trivium91 -> RE: Bulerias Upstrokes (Jan. 6 2023 15:03:28)

quote:

ORIGINAL: Ricardo

quote:

ORIGINAL: trivium91

quote:

ORIGINAL: Brendan

What Mark said!

Here is a video with a nice clear view of Diego’s foot:

https://youtu.be/NGGAqndvY2o

He taps every other beat most of the time, except when he plays a bit of basic compás as a bridge between letra and falseta. Then, just for that spot, he does the a-tap-tap-a-tap-tap thing Kai demonstrated.

You should have all these rhythms in some part of your body.

Main point: bulerías isn’t a rhythm. It’s a rhythmic aesthetic.

Yeah I guess I just have to practice my falsettas and slow practice in tapping my foot every other beat. I mean it’s one thing to hear it and feel it that way, but another to ask your foot to tap without even thinking about it. I suppose it’s no different from any other falsetta that is really hard at first but feels almost second nature in a week or so. So really it’s just a question of adding this to each falsetta so that it feels like second nature.


Mark had linked the video where I was learning Tomatito’s falseta as per someone’s request years ago. So instead of trying to add your foot tap UNDER the falseta you already know how to play, you want to construct the falseta from the ground up, as I do from the very start of that video. Not thinking of the big picture, but one small phrase at a time, one single beat to the next. And notice that I repeatedly loop each phrase several times before moving on to the next beat. That is in order to get used to the flow and feel at tempo. There was a tricky spot near the end where I had to slow down my foot tap deliberately to get it together before incorporating it in with the rest of the falseta at tempo. And after I get each short phrase mastered I will go back to the very beginning so I get used to how it all flows together.

By the time I was done (8 minutes later) I had the entire falseta tied together with the foot tap, because that is how I constructed it from the start. The 12-count or whatever it is, emerges only at the end once I have got it all together. I was never thinking about that while I was learning. Other than I know it started on count 12. The rest just works itself out as long as I do each phrase correctly. This particular falseta often begins phrases on a red slot (contra Tiempo) before the foot tap.


yes that makes a lot of sense, its an extra step but it looks like it pays dividends as now you know exactly where to tap your foot. So it’s no different than encorportating a golpe pattern and all the other little nuances when you study a video in slow motion for example. On a side note, I made some progress with the the foot tapping every other beat at a slower pace of 160bpm. With the foot tapping every other beat it basically feels like playing with a metronome now. Granted I still need some work in this area but making progress.




mark indigo -> RE: Bulerias Upstrokes (Jan. 6 2023 20:44:25)

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I mean it’s one thing to hear it and feel it that way, but another to ask your foot to tap without even thinking about it.


That's why the suggestions to practise foot tapping with palmas upthread were good ones - because it's good practise for the foot tapping! Put some music on and jam along. You could try practise tracks for dancers with guitar and palmas (basic and simple), or tracks of cante or guitar with palmas (or palmas and percusion) so you can hear what it should sound like. But practise with a metronome too so you can hear yourself better.

[the original "Solo Compas" produced by Manuel Salado had tracks with palmas and guitar, and tracks with just palmas (or palmas and percusion) at different speeds, as well as recordings of complete dances/choreographies.]




trivium91 -> RE: Bulerias Upstrokes (Jan. 7 2023 19:18:30)

quote:

ORIGINAL: mark indigo

quote:

I mean it’s one thing to hear it and feel it that way, but another to ask your foot to tap without even thinking about it.


That's why the suggestions to practise foot tapping with palmas upthread were good ones - because it's good practise for the foot tapping! Put some music on and jam along. You could try practise tracks for dancers with guitar and palmas (basic and simple), or tracks of cante or guitar with palmas (or palmas and percusion) so you can hear what it should sound like. But practise with a metronome too so you can hear yourself better.

[the original "Solo Compas" produced by Manuel Salado had tracks with palmas and guitar, and tracks with just palmas (or palmas and percusion) at different speeds, as well as recordings of complete dances/choreographies.]

So I’m getting better with the foot tapping, it basically a metronome if you tap every other beat…pretty cool stuff and really helps to stay in the groove.




trivium91 -> RE: Bulerias Upstrokes (Jan. 11 2023 15:46:50)

Wanted to thank everyone on this thread, it all makes sense now. The foot tapping every other beat really works well to understand and feel the rhythm, as does the metronome. @Ricardo explanation about the roulette table makes perfect sense when you combine it with the foot tapping. Some falsettas that I know finish on beat 6 for example, I can add in some triplets and count myself in on the third foot tap from there (12th beat) for the next falsetta.




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