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Romanza -> Gipsy Kings to tour UK! (Mar. 20 2006 13:45:05)

I was listening to Mosaique last night and thought 'wouldn't it be great if GK came to do a UK tour soon'...

Today, I decided to do a quick search online and lo and behold...

http://www.ents24.com/web/artist/79201/Gipsy_Kings.html

Rumba-tastic!



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Romanza -> RE: Gipsy Kings to tour UK! (Mar. 30 2006 9:36:13)

Yes, I wonder what it will be like (I'm not sure if they like us Brits either?!). I am still trying to decide whether to see them in London at the Hammersmith Apollo or to go down to Brighton which is a much smaller venue and might be more intimate, which I think would be more suited to one of their gigs (I hate massive concerts anyway).

That said my friend saw them at Albert Hall a few years ago and said they were amazing! I have to check it out otherwise I'll forever be wondering what I missed..



Jon Boyes -> RE: Gipsy Kings to tour UK! (Mar. 30 2006 10:41:29)

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ORIGINAL: Romanza
That said my friend saw them at Albert Hall a few years ago and said they were amazing! I have to check it out otherwise I'll forever be wondering what I missed..


I have the video of that one (or at least I assume so, it was filmed at the Royal Albert Hall anyway). Tonino and co are on top form. I have a more recent live video which is nowhere near as good.



Gecko -> RE: Gipsy Kings to tour UK! (Mar. 30 2006 11:48:08)

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ORIGINAL: Shroomy726

Romanza,

I love the Gipsy Kings. Mosaique was my first album by them. I also think it is the best one. So about a year ago, they came to tour the US (very rare).
Sincerely, Lionel


They normally perform in Albuquerque, New Mexico annually, or at least they have for the past 3-4 years. I think we are still part of the U.S, but sometimes I wonder. [:D]



Kate -> RE: Gipsy Kings to tour UK! (Mar. 30 2006 12:58:25)

Many years ago before they were well known Harold put on a concert of the Gypsy Kings. It was a benefit for a group of political refugees who were camped out in the Town hall. They went down a storm. I think it may have been one of their first appearances in the UK.

Since then I have followed with interest what has happened to them. Their recording deal is a joke. So much so they make very little money from it and have to tour to seek themselves going. From what I understand they tour the US endlessly, going over there every year. This of course may be why they are jaded, and nothing to do with not liking Americans, more to do with hating a recording contract which means despite the success of their records they are broke and have to spend far too much time on the road and not at home.

Glad to hear they still play the UK and yes Romanza I would go to Brighton and see them in a smaller venue.

Kate



Romanza -> RE: Gipsy Kings to tour UK! (Mar. 30 2006 13:33:24)

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Glad to hear they still play the UK and yes Romanza I would go to Brighton and see them in a smaller venue.

Thanks, I think that's what I'll do. I remember a scence from the Paco documentary 'Francisco Sanchez' where he said basically the same thing - if neccessity dictates he must tour so disappears all of the enjoyment..



Jon Boyes -> RE: Gipsy Kings to tour UK! (Mar. 30 2006 14:09:07)

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ORIGINAL: Kate
Their recording deal is a joke. So much so they make very little money from it and have to tour to seek themselves going. From what I understand they tour the US endlessly, going over there every year. This of course may be why they are jaded, and nothing to do with not liking Americans, more to do with hating a recording contract which means despite the success of their records they are broke


Amazing, I thought they were millionnaires They should hire George Michael's lawyer.



Kate -> RE: Gipsy Kings to tour UK! (Mar. 30 2006 14:31:36)

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ORIGINAL: Romanza
I remember a scence from the Paco documentary 'Francisco Sanchez' where he said basically the same thing - if neccessity dictates he must tour so disappears all of the enjoyment..


When Paco returned to Spain he said he wanted a year off. He didn't get it. In fact he had a very busy year. Guess his contract is so tight he cant dictate what he does either.

Kate



leo -> RE: Gipsy Kings to tour UK! (Mar. 30 2006 16:32:39)

I think today the Gipsy Kings are different now
it's the younger generation that is performing today
not the ones who created the group
corect me if I'm wrong



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Kate -> RE: Gipsy Kings to tour UK! (Mar. 30 2006 18:52:38)

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ORIGINAL: leo

I think today the Gipsy Kings are different now
it's the younger generation that is performing today
not the ones who created the group



That would not surprise me. I've no idea how to find out if that is the case. Usually groups who do this dont advertise they are not the original members.
Kate



Escribano -> RE: Gipsy Kings to tour UK! (Mar. 30 2006 19:48:13)

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I never knew they toured the US endlessly, I must have been ibadly informed.

I first saw them at the Wolf Trap in VA. Great gig.



Miguel de Maria -> RE: Gipsy Kings to tour UK! (Apr. 1 2006 18:29:02)

Kate,
that makes sense. I have seen them three times here, and to my knowledge they come to Arizona every year. I have run into a couple of them before and they mostly seemed dazed! Of course they perk up when there are good looking girls around...

I always just assumed they loved to tour. Is it true that Gypsies like to travel a lot, or is that just a stereotype?

It all makes more sense if they are required to tour...I would sure be burnt out by now.



Kate -> RE: Gipsy Kings to tour UK! (Apr. 1 2006 19:20:24)

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ORIGINAL: Miguel de Maria
Is it true that Gypsies like to travel a lot, or is that just a stereotype?


Almost everyone I know loves travelling [;)] so yes you could call it a stereotype. In a way travelling becomes a metaphor for freedom, which is why it probably features so much in cante.

Most Gypsies have been settled for centuries. I believe the majority are now settled. I have an old friend in the US who came of the road twenty years ago and he believes there to be very few travelling Kumpanias left in the States.

In the past ironically Gypsies were either forbidden to travel or forced to. That's one of the many starting points of the holocaust when Gypsies could only leave their homes with written permission to travel. The Romanichal in Britain would travel around according to the season and the harvesting which gave them regular paid work. Travelling was also a necessity for many Gypsies in Europe as they were forced to move on under threat of death. In many countries such as Spain there was a bounty on their heads. Other factors depend on their trade. Gypsies such as the Sinti who specialised ( like their Cale cousins) in metal working would move from town to town mending pots and pans (or in times of war would travel with armies forging steel swords). When the settlements grew to the point of having their own village forge the Gypsies would no longer be allowed near the village.

Most Gypsies I know here have hardly left their neighbourhood and the flamencos who travel all over for work are not happy to be away from their families.

Kate



Ron.M -> RE: Gipsy Kings to tour UK! (Apr. 1 2006 21:43:41)

Kate,
Actually on Radio 4 this year there have been quite a few programmes about travelling Romany Gypsies in the UK.
On the whole, most of their regular stopping sites here, have now been closed by local councils and they are now encouraged (by the Police) to move on.
(To where... I know not!)
There are very few places for them to go now and they are mostly despised by ordinary Asda shopping and weekend B&Q frequenting UK homeowners, with their eye on moving "up market".
It's obvious that, that way of life is no longer an option in the UK now IMO.
You need a postcode (and in the future), an ID Card in order to be citizen.
If not, then you are either a criminal or potential criminal, in the eyes of the State.

Strange how things change over time..

I remember, lots of years ago the Gypsies coming around the houses offering to sharpen knives or scissors, sell stuff, tell fortunes etc .. and were accepted by the locals as part of the seasonal landscape...and the best of all, was to put on the local Carnival, with all the rides and games that we all enjoyed...roll-a-penny, coconuts..The Waltzers, with the guy hanging on the back to spin it to make you even more sick than you were feeling...and the only place in town you could hear Rock n Roll played at it's "correct" level ..LOL!

I must admit , we were always a little bit "suspicious" of them though, since they were not part of the community, but we respected their ways back then.. appreciated their services and gave them room to do what they wanted to do in a free society.

(Interesting thing here...they were playing some Traditional British Gypsy music ..and in it there were these weird Arabic/Indian microtones from time to time.)

cheers

Ron



Miguel de Maria -> RE: Gipsy Kings to tour UK! (Apr. 2 2006 6:06:31)

Ron,
we have people that wander from town to town, putting on shows and staging the carnivals. We call them "carnies." I think it's fair to say they are viewed with some measure of suspicion!



Kate -> RE: Gipsy Kings to tour UK! (Apr. 2 2006 11:41:41)

Hi Ron,

Dont get me started on UK politics towards Gypsies. So many laws exist simply to try and eradicate the Gypsy. The Vagrancy Act, the Commons Act, the Public Health Act ( although enforced on Caravans it makes no mention of people who live and travel in boats and barges). The Town and Country planning Act 1960 which states that no-one can camp on land, even if they own it, without a license ( so Caravan dwellers in effect became the first UK ID holders in the form of this license) then the law chaged subtly in 1962 stating councils have the right to remove Gypsies even with licenses and from their own land. The Highway act 1959 which has often been accused of being racist as it specifically states that Gypsies are forbidden to camp on highways. Then in 68 The Caravans Act changed again stating that a Gypsy found on an unofficial site be fined 25 pounds, and 5 pounds for every day after that. Not unlike Germany 1933. Ironically this often meant the only time a Gypsy was not breaking the law was when he was on the move. Stopping made him a criminal. Many official camps do not allow the residents to stay full time, and so they have to move on.

A UK court case in 67 did a lot of damage in that it defined a Gypsy as ' a person with a nomadic way of life, no fixed abode' at which point Gypsies became defined by lifestyle and not by ethnicity. ie Councils cannot be accused of racism for removing Gypsy camps. The law states that when this happens the Gypsies should be compensated but to date this has never happened.

Now anyone can claim to be a 'Gypsy traveller' and only last year a politician (accused of racism for closing down a traditional settled Gypsy camp where the Gypsies owned the land) officially registered himself as a 'traveller' in order to refute claims of racism.

In the UK at least 20,000 Gypsies live in settled camps, they often own the land, and only move on when forced, which is frequent. About 25,000 live in houses and so no longer fit the official description of ' Gypsy', and so officially they disappear as a race.

Different laws apply to showmen and circus people (who are not necesarily Gypsy, but most people do assume so). In fact showmen and circus folk are exempt from being prosecuted for camping during the winter season.

Kate



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