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Mark2 -> RE: The Trump Nightmare is Over! (Jan. 13 2021 1:22:28)
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Says the guy who has no kids who actually went to these schools and doesn't pay property tax in CA. You have zero actual experience with putting kids through through public schools but you know what's happening? Never went to a PTA meeting, never went to a parent teacher conference. Have you even been on an elementary, middle, or HS campus in the last 20 years? But you've read articles....
Based on the geniuses who raided the capital, few of whom are from CA, much less the bay area, I'd say CA is ahead of a lot of states.
The fact that you mention poor kids from Oakland who can't get into Berkeley....you apparently have no idea how hard it is for ANY kid to get into a UC, much less Berkeley or UCLA. I can tell you what it takes-parental support and engagement, as well as a really bright kid with an exceptional work ethic. I've talked to parents who's kids had 4-4.5 GPA's who didn't get into Berkeley. An address in Santa Barbara isn't going to cut it if the other things are not in place. One of my "rich" friends sent his daughter to SI in the city. Exclusive private high school. My kid was turned down there. She didn't get into the quality of college as my kid, who went to public HS. It's about the kid. Sorta like my Lester isn't going to make me sound like Antonio Rey.
My job has taken me to dozens of SF public school facilities in the last 30 years. I can tell you how they spend some of their money. There was the time they re-named a school for Thurgood Marshall. His widow was going to attend the re-opening so they spent over 100k doing minor fix ups like washing all the windows so the Mayor and his widow wouldn't have to see the dirty windows. Then there was the facilities head of SFUSD who lost his job because he took kick backs from contractors. Then of course all work has to pay prevailing wages, which are about double the wages that actually prevail in the market. The waste is compelling.
When it comes to building guitars, I'll take your word over anything I might think I know. When it comes to putting kids through public schools in my area, their condition, and the opportunities they offer to kids, I'll keep my own counsel.
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ORIGINAL: estebanana
Nope, you’re off base/ Prop 13 gutted CA schools- the problem is that Jarvis was draconian, it stripped public school funding and pushed California below the average per student budget. It killed off vocational programs. The problem was that prop 13 as written in 1978 was too drastic and didn’t approach the relationship between local property taxes and school funding, it just leveled how much matching funding came from property tax no matter whether the district was rich or poor or anything in between. Property Tax decreased by 60% and it virtually cut out the joint funding that the state and local government worked together to create.
School funding works by three funds joining together to make complicated system of matching funds to reach a national average per student amount. Ca uses state and federal money, states that don’t have that structure use three sources - local tax, state funding, federal funding, I believe Texas for example uses the tri fund system. Texas schools are above national average funding per student, Ca still below.
What does it mean? It means kids in Oakland don’t have access to programs that would propel them to go to school five miles away at UC Berkeley, but wealthy kids in Santa Barbara 275 miles away can choose between UC San Diego or UC Berkeley. It set up a dynamic of savage inequalities between rich and poor districts and rich and poor parents.
There’s no question that Prop 13 hurt education, and it’s a subject that has been extensively debated and written about in popular news and education journals. No question about it. It’s a non starter to claim that just my kids sailed through school that millions of others were not disadvantaged by the drastic change to school funding in 1979, the years after it passed.
For anyone interested this article is a beginning synopsis of how schools and families were effected, it’s one study among dozens and many studied are peer reviewed from education and political publications.
https://www.kqed.org/news/11701044/how-proposition-13-transformed-neighborhood-public-schools-throughout-california
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