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Deniz -> If I like cantaor/guitarrista .... which one's I might also like? (Jul. 1 2020 20:16:55)

Cheers guys,

looking for some new listening recommendations these days.
Maybe others of you can also find some new listening material via this thread?

I'll go first:

I'm quite into Manolo Caracol and his style of cante lately. I find a lot of resemblence of his cante in Juanfran Carrascos singing. I like his [Manolo's) calm and controlled voice.
I also like his "theatrical" style from the "Romances".

Are there any other singers with this style? Or singers that might also appeal to me with a different style?

I notice I'm more into the old cantaores so far, so any recommendations for these might also work.

I'd be very thankful and hope for some good recommendations from you seasoned guys!

Kind regards from Germany,

Deniz



Deniz -> RE: If I like cantaor/guitarrista .... which one's I might also like? (Jul. 1 2020 20:19:34)

I'd also like to find some more guitarists that carry on the "añejo" (as he himself called it in "Flamenco a personal journey" documentary) style of guitar playing, like Raul El Perla.
Seems these days a lot of tocaores are into fancy style of playing - which I also like and love, but for listening to learn the palos listening to guitarists like Paco or Vicente can become discouraging...
I like Melchor de Marchena for example.



BarkellWH -> RE: If I like cantaor/guitarrista .... which one's I might also like? (Jul. 1 2020 20:50:38)

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I notice I'm more into the old cantaores so far, so any recommendations for these might also work.


A couple of cantaores I like a lot.

Fosforito (Antonio Fernandez)

El Chocolate (Antonio Nunez)

By the way, I note that your avatar is Kokopelli, of the Anasazi Indians of the Southwest, primarily the Hopi now. I have spent a lot of time among the Hopi in Arizona and know Kokopelli well. Are you by chance from the Southwest or have an interest in the Indian culture?

Bill



Ricardo -> RE: If I like cantaor/guitarrista .... which one's I might also like? (Jul. 2 2020 0:24:00)

Caracol got a lot from Tomas Pavon.

Hopefully you know already Manuel Torre and Antonio Chacon?

Platero de Alcala is a mind blowing unknown guy. For me he and Caracol are the best of Rito y Geografia.

My recent favorite Discovery is Pena hijo.

For ladies, Paquera was the best...copied mostly from Caracol style. Also Maria Vargas was a favorite.

When moraito passed a bunch of tocares performed and it was a big let down. The only one I liked was juan Diego mateos. Also Antonio Carrion is a preferred player by the old guys. Chicuelo is great when accompanying cante for Poveda some years back. Poveda also has some Caracol tricks in his bag.

And lastly my crush is a fabulous tocaora for old singing:




tf10music -> RE: If I like cantaor/guitarrista .... which one's I might also like? (Jul. 2 2020 4:30:20)

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I'm quite into Manolo Caracol and his style of cante lately.


Check out Beni de Cádiz. Caracol was his biggest influence, and you can hear it especially in his tientos.



Paul Magnussen -> RE: If I like cantaor/guitarrista .... which one's I might also like? (Jul. 2 2020 6:11:32)

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When moraito passed a bunch of tocares performed and it was a big let down


Which Moraíto are you talking about?

1) Manuel Moreno,
2) Juan Moreno, the original Moraíto Chico,
3) Moraíto Chico II, son of Juan?

I would guess Nº 3, but it’s all very confusing*.

*Not, however, as confusing as Breton folk music, wherein (apparently) the hundreds of tunes have no titles, and the only way to identify one is to hum it.



Paul Magnussen -> RE: If I like cantaor/guitarrista .... which one's I might also like? (Jul. 2 2020 6:34:46)

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I'm quite into Manolo Caracol and his style of cante lately.


I’m with you: I got into Flamenco via Sabicas & Escudero, and Caracol was the first singer that blew me away (notably with Pañuelo de rayas — the first time I heard it, I thought I was playing the LP at 45 rpm).

Unfortunately, no one else really has exactly what Caracol had (although El Pele copies him to a certain extent, as do many others).

Whereas some may wait for the latest recordings, I have often found myself going backwards. Try the Grands figures du flamenco CD of Pepe de la Matrona, or the CD anthology of Sabicas with the great pre-war singers, Al compás de mi guitarra.



Ricardo -> RE: If I like cantaor/guitarrista .... which one's I might also like? (Jul. 2 2020 8:24:23)

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ORIGINAL: Paul Magnussen

quote:

When moraito passed a bunch of tocares performed and it was a big let down


Which Moraíto are you talking about?

1) Manuel Moreno,
2) Juan Moreno, the original Moraíto Chico,
3) Moraíto Chico II, son of Juan?

I would guess Nº 3, but it’s all very confusing*.

*Not, however, as confusing as Breton folk music, wherein (apparently) the hundreds of tunes have no titles, and the only way to identify one is to hum it.


Manuel Morao is still alive.



TGerman -> RE: If I like cantaor/guitarrista .... which one's I might also like? (Jul. 2 2020 10:20:37)

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When moraito passed a bunch of tocares performed and it was a big let down


Ricardo,

I'm curious, what about them was a big let down?



Ricardo -> RE: If I like cantaor/guitarrista .... which one's I might also like? (Jul. 2 2020 17:47:05)

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ORIGINAL: TGerman

quote:

When moraito passed a bunch of tocares performed and it was a big let down


Ricardo,

I'm curious, what about them was a big let down?


Mainly the way they expressed compas for the various singers, was not to my taste. Juan Diego was great however, exactly what my ear wanted.



Paul Magnussen -> RE: If I like cantaor/guitarrista .... which one's I might also like? (Jul. 2 2020 18:45:10)

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Manuel Morao is still alive.


Wow, I hadn’t realised that, good for him. There’s a cool timeline in his Spanish Wikipedia entry.



Ricardo -> RE: If I like cantaor/guitarrista .... which one's I might also like? (Jul. 2 2020 19:25:38)



This entire DVD/album has got Caracol all over it.

Also, I forgot Rafael Farina and Porrina. Together with Caracol these are the Federer Nadal and Djokovic of Fandango.



Deniz -> RE: If I like cantaor/guitarrista .... which one's I might also like? (Jul. 2 2020 19:39:47)

Thanks for the many great suggestions, I'll work through them!

Just listened to "Al compas de mi guitarra" and lots of great stuff on there, Sabicas really was a crack,
With Chocolate I'm somewhat torn.. sometimes his cante strikes my heart like lightning.. other times I find something in his voice discomforting somehow.

I also like some of Pepe de la Matronas stuff so far and Beni de Cadiz also seems like a good one.

To my shame I have to admit I haven't listened to Manuel Torre nor Antonio Chacon yet, will do this now while enjoying my glass of italian Chardonnay.
Regarding Poveda.. I have to say I can't seem to get into him.. very few of the young generaton cantaores really hold my interest so far.. I love Juanfran Carrascos Fandangos and Rancapino Chico's album is full of "old time sounding" Flamenco I love.

Keep them coming, I'll listen to them one after one, I think I tapped a good source right here! [8D]

Thanks for all the effort!

@Barkel
No, I didn't realize it's a Kokopelli from the Anasazi Indians, I'm not related to them, I just liked the avatar - it's a stock one from the foro! But your experiences with these people sound kinda interesting, you ever wrote something about that in the foro?



Ricardo -> RE: If I like cantaor/guitarrista .... which one's I might also like? (Jul. 2 2020 19:48:11)

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To my shame I have to admit I haven't listened to Manuel Torre nor Antonio Chacon yet,


It’s ok, check examples of letras of solea and siguiriyas at Norman’s site www.canteytoque.es.

Also see my comparison examples (cartageneras Chacon and malaguena Torre) in this discussion. Vallejo while you are at it.

http://www.foroflamenco.com/tm.asp?m=313974&appid=&p=&mpage=2&key=chacon&tmode=&smode=&s=#314283



Deniz -> RE: If I like cantaor/guitarrista .... which one's I might also like? (Jul. 2 2020 19:56:03)

..just listening to Manuel Torre at this moment..

oooff.. this is heavy on the soul, thanks, just what I was looking for.

I find it rather remarkable, that the singers I like always are accompanied by guitarists I seem to like - like they enrich eachother or even enable each others magic in their playing/singing.

I'll give the comparison a look, thanks for sharing!

Ps.:
Turronero is another cantaor I quite like, I really like his Tangos! Yet he's very different from Caracol and Co.



Paul Magnussen -> RE: If I like cantaor/guitarrista .... which one's I might also like? (Jul. 2 2020 20:07:03)

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have to admit I haven't listened to Manuel Torre nor Antonio Chacon yet


Unfortunately, Torre wasn’t at his best in the recording studio, and some of the surviving tracks are undeniably out of tune.

Sabicas said: “Manuel Torre was a man who sang very badly twenty-nine days a month, and then suddenly for one hour he was the greatest of the lot”.



mrstwinkle -> RE: If I like cantaor/guitarrista .... which one's I might also like? (Jul. 3 2020 14:53:42)

Antonio Mairena?



joselito_fletan -> RE: If I like cantaor/guitarrista .... which one's I might also like? (Jul. 3 2020 18:34:05)

My buddies introduced me to Maria del Carmen Gonzalez this year, some new blood coming up the ranks, I think she might have one the "silla de Oro" contest up in Madrid

Cheers




Deniz -> RE: If I like cantaor/guitarrista .... which one's I might also like? (Jul. 4 2020 17:07:33)

Beni de Cadiz was another match, he really is a great singer! A little more powerful thank Caracol in his voice, yet of very similar style, thanks!

Poveda's Baladilla de los tres puñales I really love that one and I'm going to listen to his album "Zaguan" today. I listened to a few Bulerías (my most favorite palo) of him this noon.

I quite like Mairena's album "La Fragua de los Mairena", the opening song (En mi Fragua - Martinetes y tonas) was mindblowing the first time I heard it, but somehow I get tired of his voice quickly.

Lots of great and interesting recommendations - as I don't know anyone who plays or even likes flamenco music I really appreciate you guys taking your time and effort introducing me to more of these wonderful artists!

The Magna Antologia del Cante Flamenco had some pearls, but ran a little short on the Bulerías for me - a lover of the Bulerías!

You can find all 10 Volumes complete on YouTube by the way!



Deniz -> RE: If I like cantaor/guitarrista .... which one's I might also like? (Jul. 4 2020 17:21:31)

Another one I quite like



orsonw -> RE: If I like cantaor/guitarrista .... which one's I might also like? (Jul. 5 2020 10:34:54)

It seems you prefer the older and dead singers? I can understand that. But in the interests of the current state of the art, Israel Fernández is another young singer you might appreciate.



TonyGonzales84 -> RE: If I like cantaor/guitarrista .... which one's I might also like? (Jul. 5 2020 22:06:41)

Staying with the current cantaores, here's el Salao. When I performed a search, he's mentioned on the Foro for new releases in 2014 & 2015. Good stuff!





ernandez R -> RE: If I like cantaor/guitarrista .... which one's I might also like? (Jul. 7 2020 22:39:02)

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ORIGINAL: joselito_fletan

My buddies introduced me to Maria del Carmen Gonzalez this year, some new blood coming up the ranks, I think she might have one the "silla de Oro" contest up in Madrid

Cheers




JF,

Wow! I like this, been playing them a few times a day for a couple days now.

Noticed my partner, who cares not for any form of Cante, didn't wince when I played it on the stareo at performance volume.

Do you have any more background on her and the Guitarst? Without much experience to have an opinion they seem well matched?

HR



Piwin -> RE: If I like cantaor/guitarrista .... which one's I might also like? (Jul. 7 2020 22:50:12)

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the Guitarst


Looks like Pepe Nunez.



joselito_fletan -> RE: If I like cantaor/guitarrista .... which one's I might also like? (Jul. 8 2020 15:23:43)

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Do you have any more background on her and the Guitarst? Without much experience to have an opinion they seem well matched?


No not much, my friends introduced her singing to me this year, they went to a minor flamenco contest in the outskirts of Madrid(Leganes), which she ended up winning. She is from Huelva in Andalucia. Have no idea if she is recording. For now most of the material I looked up was on Social Media and Youtube

She probably does the rounds in Flamenco Penas, Ferias and other cultural activities around andalucia, but this year all that is no go, so seeing her might be harder. But like many Flamenco artists that are very good, you will never know about them unless you start hitting places on there local festive days, Easter, Feria, Christmas, Romerias, the myriad of religious festive days, (San Juan, Virgen del Carmen ...........)



ernandez R -> RE: If I like cantaor/guitarrista .... which one's I might also like? (Jul. 8 2020 16:51:40)

JF,
Thanx for the info.

Can't tell you how envious I am that there are opportunities to see talent, cultural talent, as I sit here in my far northern half a world away.

About 15-20 years ago I used to see flyers at the local cafes for Flamenco in Anchorage Alaska but no more. Sadly I was never able to attend as I lived in a small bush village four hundred miles off the road system.

The Foro is my only exposure to Flamenco. As a Hispanic/Native American I was exposed to zero historical elements of our culture; one fault of the American melting pot. My last name is Hernandez and I speak no Spanish; perhaps it's time to learn. Now this is crazy: I'm about twentyfive years old and my father starts speaking Spanish with a couple guys... I'm like WTF! Never once in my life had I heard my father utter a word of Spanish.

I guess the point I'm trying to get to is how wonderful an artest like María can come out of her community in this day and age, play at festivals and Penas, keeping the art alive and inspiring half way around the world.

HR



tf10music -> RE: If I like cantaor/guitarrista .... which one's I might also like? (Jul. 9 2020 4:47:43)

If we've pivoted to the younger blood, I have a couple of recs.

Enrique Afanador is an excellent up and coming cantaor (not a caracolero, though). I caught him in Jerez a few months back and he left an impression as someone who was very thoughtful about his choice of letras, and vocally talented too:



I also want to highlight los Carpio, because I don't think they get anywhere near as much attention as they should. Alfonso Carpio Mijita and Antonio Peña Carpio El Tolo are both fantastic cantaores, but in the interest of boosting early/mid-career cantaores, here's José Carpio Mijita, who released an awesome album with Pepe del Morao several months ago:





Pepe del Morao has my favorite soleá por bulería right now -- he always plays it with such fluidity.



orsonw -> RE: If I like cantaor/guitarrista .... which one's I might also like? (Jul. 9 2020 10:37:14)

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here's José Carpio Mijita, who released an awesome album with Pepe del Morao several months ago: Pepe del Morao has my favorite soleá por bulería right now -- he always plays it with such fluidity.


Thanks for posting.
I also enjoy Pepe del Morao por soleá por bulería. Here he is accompanying David Lagos from 2013.




Deniz -> RE: If I like cantaor/guitarrista .... which one's I might also like? (Jul. 14 2020 9:11:48)

Thanks for the numerous recommendations and introducing the younger generation to the discussion!

As mentioned in another thread before, I quite like Juanfran Carrascos Fandangos, he's very Caracol-ish to my ears. These days I'm going crazy for Rancapino Chico's debut album, especially the Soleá por Bulerías and the title-track tangos.
Ironically I'm not too much into his Seguiriyas dedicated to Manolo Caracol [&:]

Here he's with El Perla:



Pepe del Morao seems to be just as good as a guitarist as any Morao I've heard so far, these guys are magic, really!



Deniz -> RE: If I like cantaor/guitarrista .... which one's I might also like? (Jul. 23 2020 17:04:14)

After countless listens of Rancapino Chico's album, which quickly grew to become one of my favorites, I decided to give a listen to his roots, his father:



And I must say: You can really hear the influence. What a great singer.. father and son!
Cepero's guitar is - as usual - incredibly soulful.

I also grew to like Beni de Cadiz quite a lot, it's a shame it's so hard to find CDs of these guys nowadays, but I'll keep a keen eye on the offerings ! [8D]



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