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devilhand -> A biographical drama film about Paco's life (Jun. 8 2020 20:50:22)

After watching 2 documentaries about PdL - Francisco Sanchez and Light and Shade, I think a biographical drama film about Paco's life would be awesome.
A movie with a good screenplay would do flamenco good showing the world what flamenco really is. If we want to celebrate the revival of flamenco music something magical and exceptional must happen. What do you guys think? Who can play Paco? Imagine aging Antonio Banderas plays Paco's father.





Ricardo -> RE: A biographical drama film about Paco's life (Jun. 8 2020 21:46:18)

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ORIGINAL: devilhand

After watching 2 documentaries about PdL - Francisco Sanchez and Light and Shade, I think a biographical drama film about Paco's life would be awesome.
A movie with a good screenplay would do flamenco good showing the world what flamenco really is. If we want to celebrate the revival of flamenco music something magical and exceptional must happen. What do you guys think? Who can play Paco? Imagine aging Antonio Banderas plays Paco's father.




They did this with Camaron... it’s pretty bad. I prefer documentary style. Also check La Busqueda, my favorite of the 3 documentaries about paco. The ultimate Flamenco documentary series is rito y Geografia




devilhand -> RE: A biographical drama film about Paco's life (Jun. 9 2020 14:36:38)

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They did this with Camaron... it’s pretty bad.

An interesting screenplay will solve the problem. Recall the movie Amadeus which was a success.
One doesn't need to represent Paco's life 1:1. Even a story inspired by Paco's life and virtuosity will be enough. More drama, romance, tragedy, rivalry between virtuoso players, and the path to become the best. Cante and baile must be also thematized. An amazing motion picture soundtrack will do the rest.




James Ashley Mayer -> RE: A biographical drama film about Paco's life (Jun. 9 2020 15:57:38)

No one can play like Paco so how do you find an actor that looks like him and can play like him? If you can find someone that can play almost as well as him, do you never show his hands and his face in the same frame?

Re: Amadeus, It's a lot easier to act out composing and playing an organ where the audience can't actually see the actors fingers on the keyboard.




JasonM -> RE: A biographical drama film about Paco's life (Jun. 9 2020 16:59:35)

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No one can play like Paco so how do you find an actor that looks like him and can play like him? If you can find someone that can play almost as well as him, do you never show his hands and his face in the same frame?


Tom Cruise could do it




Ricardo -> RE: A biographical drama film about Paco's life (Jun. 9 2020 17:43:17)

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Recall the movie Amadeus which was a success.


Actually the ONLY musician movie that was EVER any good. Of course it is a total fiction, so a lot has to go into the story FIRST. As mentioned faking the guitar is impossible. See crossroads. Ugh. Sean Penn did a django style guitar playing character, not a horrible movie but he learned some guitar to fake it. But a Paco movie? I cringe at the thought. The American friend of his wrote a non Flamenco book about Paco, parties and women, it would be X-rated film IMO, not well received by family. I am quite happy with the 3 documentaries.

I would welcome a documentary about the guitar trio collaboration however... lots of interesting stories and missing video material would make for a successful package commercially IMO. Again, a movie movie would be a bad idea imo.




Mark2 -> RE: A biographical drama film about Paco's life (Jun. 9 2020 19:09:47)

Trying to play Paco is like trying to play Hendrix-all those horrible movies with actors trying to play Hendrix. And the ones with others playing the music are the worst. You have to have the original music for starters. There is so much film of Paco there is no need to have someone playing him. I was watching the first episode of the Camaron documentary on Netflix last night. Paco's music is used often but in the clips he's not there much-it's Cepero and Tomatito mostly. I thought that was interesting. But a movie about Paco has to have him playing his music. If there were tons of video clips of Mozart talking, playing his music, etc. Amadeus would have sucked.




Paul Magnussen -> RE: A biographical drama film about Paco's life (Jun. 10 2020 17:44:21)

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Tom Cruise could do it


[:D]




Paul Magnussen -> RE: A biographical drama film about Paco's life (Jun. 10 2020 18:52:33)

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Also check La Busqueda, my favorite of the 3 documentaries about paco


Speaking of which: is there a DVD available anywhere with English subtitles? My wife’s Spanish isn’t at the movie-watching level. Plus my Spanish isn’t what it was, and as a matter of fact it never has been.




ernandez R -> RE: A biographical drama film about Paco's life (Jun. 10 2020 19:17:49)

Just a a couple quick screenplay ideas.

I think a film that starts with the Morisco era, the battle of Spain pushing the moors out, then the coalescing of moors and Jews and Indian/Roma people into the south. Imagine a quick montage with a guitar soundtrack. More a history of flamenco for starters then PDL.

Then a run through of the 18 century players with a short stop in the Torres workshop.

A quick walk through of the early 19th century players leading directly to the linage of PDL...

About filming PDLs playing, you don't have too, there is already a lifetime of film and so much it would be a sin to not integrate the live footage of him playing.

The first half of the film is in black & white so as to make using all the early footage of PDL practical. Then move into color once the era of color footage of PDL is available.

This is all I got.

HR




TonyGonzales84 -> RE: A biographical drama film about Paco's life (Jun. 10 2020 19:22:56)

I like it, and for the part where they're pushing the moors out, how about clips with Charlton Heston and Sofia Loren? Hmmmm...




ernandez R -> RE: A biographical drama film about Paco's life (Jun. 10 2020 19:40:52)

I think one reality we must consider is how many have your (Ricardo's ) expertise on the subject? One in a hundred thousand? I think if one was trapped by searching for the exact fingering would ruin the move. But I get it, as an airplane mechanic and pilot I cringe when they get it wrong...

We have to ask ourselves what was the mass appeal of the Amadias movie? I just watched it for the first time just a couple weeks ago but recall all the hype/excitement of the move when it came out. That one image of the charictior in that hat mask was everywhere.

Was it excellent marketing?

Another question, how many vertiosio players coming up in the piano world today became so by being inspired by the movie? I'm guessing a lot. A popular PDL/Flamenco move could do the same.

I feel that it is easy to be a purest and get trapped, or rather passed by. And how does one embrace change and the new without loosing ones roots? History doesn't care how PDL fingered that one passage to a finite detail. I don't know, I understand how valuable it is to have this knowledge as a foundation but Im excited by the new that dares to be powerful, we don't need elevator music flamenco but there sure is a lot of it, we need rock-n-roll Flameco, hip-hop flamenco, punk rock Flameco, with all the old masters we need build another foundation... one that energizes and lights the kids on fire, they are Flamencos future

Ok, did I just get carried away?

HR


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ORIGINAL: Ricardo

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Recall the movie Amadeus which was a success.


Actually the ONLY musician movie that was EVER any good. Of course it is a total fiction, so a lot has to go into the story FIRST. As mentioned faking the guitar is impossible. See crossroads. Ugh. Sean Penn did a django style guitar playing character, not a horrible movie but he learned some guitar to fake it. But a Paco movie? I cringe at the thought. The American friend of his wrote a non Flamenco book about Paco, parties and women, it would be X-rated film IMO, not well received by family. I am quite happy with the 3 documentaries.

I would welcome a documentary about the guitar trio collaboration however... lots of interesting stories and missing video material would make for a successful package commercially IMO. Again, a movie movie would be a bad idea imo.




Piwin -> RE: A biographical drama film about Paco's life (Jun. 10 2020 20:28:44)

The movie begins with the god Huehuecoyotl sitting on a throne, in a dark underground temple, holding the golden coin of the Holy Rasgwado, which he stole from an unnamed gitano deity some decades ago.

The movie shifts to Andalucia, where, for decades now, nobody has been able to play a decent rasgwado and nobody can figure out why. As a result, flamenco is dying. One day, while a young Paco is playing at the beach with his friends, a wave carries him off. He is washed ashore next to a cave entrance. When he goes inside, he finds an old hooded figure that explains that he is a priest of the gitano deity who lost the Holy Rasgwado coin, that if Paco found this place, it meant that he had been chosen to retrieve the coin. He explains how the coin was stolen by Huehuecoyotl and is now somewhere in Mexico.

Paco is determined to bring back the coin and revive flamenco. He has no money to fly to Mexico, so with his friends he steals a Semana Santa float, and equips it with a flight engine powered by olive oil. They cross the Atlantic on their flying machine and land near Cancun. The city is already gentrified and overrun with young Americans there to indulge in carnal delights. Paco's friends succumb to the temptation and he must continue alone.

Walking through the wilderness, he is attacked by a gang but defends himself with the old trope of having a machine gun in his guitar case. Still, there are too many of them. Paco runs. He stumbles down a steep slope and falls in a hole lying at the bottom. There, he enters the dream realm. Huehuecoyotl is there. They have a brief fight using guitar strings as whips, but Huehuecoyotl overpowers the young Paco. He then presents Paco with a choice: retrieve the coin, thus bringing back the power of rasgwado to Andalucia, but live a life touring the world and living in hotels, or leave without the coin but taking 100 million dollars and a house on the coast, to live the remainder of his days as he pleases. Paco chooses the latter. Paco then becomes a professional spearfisher. He is seen with a large amount of young ladies in skimpy clothing. The last scene is Huehuecoyotl standing in front of a massive vending machine with the words "Youtube" written on it. He puts the coin into the vending machine, presses a button, and waits. The coin is melted by the machine and distributed into various bottles already containing other liquids. Huehuecoyotl bends down to retrieve his purchase. It is a non-descript beverage. The bottle just says "world music". He drinks, says "man, that really hit the spot". The end.




BarkellWH -> RE: A biographical drama film about Paco's life (Jun. 10 2020 21:20:02)

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Plus my Spanish isn’t what it was, and as a matter of fact it never has been.


I'm trying to figure out if this is a riddle?!

Bill




RobF -> RE: A biographical drama film about Paco's life (Jun. 10 2020 21:33:58)

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Paco is determined to bring back the coin and revive flamenco. He has no money to fly to Mexico, so with his friends he steals a Semana Santa float, and equips it with a flight engine powered by olive oil. They cross the Atlantic on their flying machine and land near Cancun. The city is already gentrified and overrun with young Americans there to indulge in carnal delights. Paco's friends succumb to the temptation and he must continue alone... Paco then becomes a professional spearfisher. He is seen with a large amount of young ladies in skimpy clothing...


I dunno. You *might* be onto something. If you could just figure out some way to spice it up a bit....




Piwin -> RE: A biographical drama film about Paco's life (Jun. 10 2020 21:44:28)

You're right. Not enough explosions! It could probably use a car chase too, and maybe something about nuclear launch codes.




ernandez R -> RE: A biographical drama film about Paco's life (Jun. 10 2020 21:48:44)

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ORIGINAL: Piwin

The movie begins with the god Huehuecoyotl sitting on a throne, in a dark underground temple, holding the golden coin of the Holy Rasgwado, which he stole from an unnamed gitano deity some decades ago.

The movie shifts to Andalucia, where, for decades now, nobody has been able to play a decent rasgwado and nobody can figure out why. As a result, flamenco is dying. One day, while a young Paco is playing at the beach with his friends, a wave carries him off. He is washed ashore next to a cave entrance. When he goes inside, he finds an old hooded figure that explains that he is a priest of the gitano deity who lost the Holy Rasgwado coin, that if Paco found this place, it meant that he had been chosen to retrieve the coin. He explains how the coin was stolen by Huehuecoyotl and is now somewhere in Mexico.

Paco is determined to bring back the coin and revive flamenco. He has no money to fly to Mexico, so with his friends he steals a Semana Santa float, and equips it with a flight engine powered by olive oil. They cross the Atlantic on their flying machine and land near Cancun. The city is already gentrified and overrun with young Americans there to indulge in carnal delights. Paco's friends succumb to the temptation and he must continue alone.

Walking through the wilderness, he is attacked by a gang but defends himself with the old trope of having a machine gun in his guitar case. Still, there are too many of them. Paco runs. He stumbles down a steep slope and falls in a hole lying at the bottom. There, he enters the dream realm. Huehuecoyotl is there. They have a brief fight using guitar strings as whips, but Huehuecoyotl overpowers the young Paco. He then presents Paco with a choice: retrieve the coin, thus bringing back the power of rasgwado to Andalucia, but live a life touring the world and living in hotels, or leave without the coin but taking 100 million dollars and a house on the coast, to live the remainder of his days as he pleases. Paco chooses the latter. Paco then becomes a professional spearfisher. He is seen with a large amount of young ladies in skimpy clothing. The last scene is Huehuecoyotl standing in front of a massive vending machine with the words "Youtube" written on it. He puts the coin into the vending machine, presses a button, and waits. The coin is melted by the machine and distributed into various bottles already containing other liquids. Huehuecoyotl bends down to retrieve his purchase. It is a non-descript beverage. The bottle just says "world music". He drinks, says "man, that really hit the spot". The end.



Would think,you are secretly Robert Rodriguez the film director, in fact the only thing missing is the alternative ending: the bottle is actually piss warm Chongo and embossed across the bottle bottom: no deposit no return.

And world music? It is what you tell your friends at the party that you listen to so they don't kick you out of the clothes optional hot tub and away from the coke dusting the table tops?

What's interesting is I've never seen PDL in photos or videos souronded by buxom babes or teeny-bopper groupies? It was hinted up thread that he got more ass then a toilet seat? Does he have children? Has he hidden them in nameless orphanages so they don't contract the Flamenco. Thinking there is a number of froidian subplots here...

HR




TonyGonzales84 -> RE: A biographical drama film about Paco's life (Jun. 10 2020 22:54:19)

Now, Piwin, you're on to it too, if only we can get James Coburn's In Like Flint to get us those codes, along with the In Like Flint sound effects!




JasonM -> RE: A biographical drama film about Paco's life (Jun. 10 2020 23:24:20)

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The American friend of his wrote a non Flamenco book about Paco, parties and women, it would be X-rated film IMO, not well received by family


Whoa what’s this now?

Pwin [:D]




mark indigo -> RE: A biographical drama film about Paco's life (Jun. 11 2020 19:51:54)

Paco de Lucia: My Memories of a Flamenco Legend by Rusel DeMaria

https://www.amazon.co.uk/Paco-Lucia-Memories-Flamenco-Legend/dp/1941768229/ref=sr_1_2?crid=1WZ4Q5FBN8AMW&dchild=1&keywords=paco+de+lucia&qid=1591901464&s=books&sprefix=paco+de%2Caps%2C144&sr=1-2




Piwin -> RE: A biographical drama film about Paco's life (Jun. 11 2020 20:18:47)

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Does he have children?


Five. Curro (the one who directed the documentary "La Busqueda"), Casilda and Lucia from his first mariage with Casllda. Then two others from his second mariage to Carrasco: Antonia and Diego. [8D]

Well, those are the five that we know of... [8D]

Our movie Paco could afford to have a few more. Maybe to set up a sequel. Something about the kids fighting over his legacy or something. A family curse maybe? Los hijos de Lucia: the curse of the rasgwado continues. [:D]




mark indigo -> RE: A biographical drama film about Paco's life (Jun. 11 2020 21:48:31)

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how many vertiosio players coming up in the piano world today became so by being inspired by the movie? I'm guessing a lot.

probably none. most great musicians are born into musical families, and pick up playing and/or have lessons from family members at an early age, and likely before they have ever seen the film.... Nigel Kennedy's mum was a single parent piano teacher and as a young kid he used to sit under the piano when she was giving lessons. as a very young kid PDL used to wake up in the morning to the sound of last night's juerga etc. etc.




mark indigo -> RE: A biographical drama film about Paco's life (Jun. 11 2020 21:58:59)

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we need rock-n-roll Flameco, hip-hop flamenco, punk rock Flameco

most of that has already been done. Las Grecas, Triana, Smash, Ketama, Pata Negra, Ojos de Brujo, Tomasito.... Gypsy Kings are the only one to get really big internationally mixing flamenco rumba with pop....




ernandez R -> RE: A biographical drama film about Paco's life (Jun. 12 2020 13:36:10)

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ORIGINAL: mark indigo

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we need rock-n-roll Flameco, hip-hop flamenco, punk rock Flameco

most of that has already been done. Las Grecas, Triana, Smash, Ketama, Pata Negra, Ojos de Brujo, Tomasito.... Gypsy Kings are the only one to get really big internationally mixing flamenco rumba with pop....


Mark,
Guess I wasn't thinking literally when I discribed those gonareas( I hate spell check only slightly less then my own lack of spelling)

I was thinking the energy associated with them all. But I'll give each you mention a listen.


HR




ernandez R -> RE: A biographical drama film about Paco's life (Jun. 12 2020 13:39:22)

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ORIGINAL: mark indigo

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how many vertiosio players coming up in the piano world today became so by being inspired by the movie? I'm guessing a lot.

probably none. most great musicians are born into musical families, and pick up playing and/or have lessons from family members at an early age, and likely before they have ever seen the film.... Nigel Kennedy's mum was a single parent piano teacher and as a young kid he used to sit under the piano when she was giving lessons. as a very young kid PDL used to wake up in the morning to the sound of last night's juerga etc. etc.


Ya, now that you mention it, I've always thought the best place to start learning music was inutero..

HR




ernandez R -> RE: A biographical drama film about Paco's life (Jun. 12 2020 13:42:03)

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ORIGINAL: Piwin

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Does he have children?


Five. Curro (the one who directed the documentary "La Busqueda"), Casilda and Lucia from his first mariage with Casllda. Then two others from his second mariage to Carrasco: Antonia and Diego. [8D]

Well, those are the five that we know of... [8D]

Our movie Paco could afford to have a few more. Maybe to set up a sequel. Something about the kids fighting over his legacy or something. A family curse maybe? Los hijos de Lucia: the curse of the rasgwado continues. [:D]


A fight to the the death with the six unsung child, Drop D aka Count Rugan, the six fingered man...


Oh shoot, we went form Robert Rodreges to Rob Riener directing...




devilhand -> RE: A biographical drama film about Paco's life (Jun. 12 2020 17:49:02)

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ORIGINAL: ernandez R

Just a a couple quick screenplay ideas.

I think a film that starts with the Morisco era, the battle of Spain pushing the moors out, then the coalescing of moors and Jews and Indian/Roma people into the south. Imagine a quick montage with a guitar soundtrack. More a history of flamenco for starters then PDL.

Then a run through of the 18 century players with a short stop in the Torres workshop.

A quick walk through of the early 19th century players leading directly to the linage of PDL...

About filming PDLs playing, you don't have too, there is already a lifetime of film and so much it would be a sin to not integrate the live footage of him playing.

The first half of the film is in black & white so as to make using all the early footage of PDL practical. Then move into color once the era of color footage of PDL is available.

This is all I got.

HR

I like the idea. Talking about Torres workshop, guitar making can be also thematized. I still have to find a movie about guitar making. Not a documentary. Flamenco as an art can cover a broad range topics and thus different type of movies like drama, psycho thriller and horror (because of one problem palo you know which one) or a dirty dancing type of movie. Black Swan could have been based on flamenco baile instead of ballet. Only comedy and sci-fi will be problematic. But no problem. Piwin will write a nice screenplay.




Richard Jernigan -> RE: A biographical drama film about Paco's life (Jun. 13 2020 7:36:46)

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ORIGINAL: devilhand
Recall the movie Amadeus which was a success.


My wife, a scholarship classical pianist, and I went to see "Amadeus."

On the way home I said, "I thought Forman and Shaffer kind of gave up on figuring out Mozart, and made sort of a cartoon figure out of him."

"So what's your picture of Mozart?" she asked.

"As a person, I gave up trying to figure him out a long time ago. As a musician, kind of a god. He never uttered a sound that wasn't beautiful."

"I see him as a friend," she said.

"Mozart's your friend?"

"When I was eight years old I knew what he did with his fingers. He showed me some really neat stuff."

RNJ




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