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JBASHORUN -> STAGE NAMES... (Feb. 23 2006 22:13:16)

I used to think that stage names were a silly invention if you are a serious musician. I mean, okay, Elton John's real name is, apparently, Reginald Dwight, and I suppose with a name like that, I can't really blame the guy for wanting a different one. But I used to subscribe to the view that it was the music that was important, not the name of the musician. Isn't Bob Dylan's real name just... "Bob Dylan"? (or is it? maybe I have that wrong [8|]). I guess I kind of thought that it was like "puting on an act" for the audience, and becoming someone else on stage, instead of being yourself (the "real" you).

But then I discovered that PDL's name was really "Francisco Sanchez", and I think surely "Tomatito" is not Tomatito's real name. But what about Paco Pena, is that real? I guess I wanted to know why some artists feel the need to create a new identity whilst playing. This question is mainly aimed at solo guitarists, as obviously a collective band might require a collective name. But people like Miguel De Maria (if that is a stage name)... what made you decide to use another name?

Also, if you are going to choose another stage name, how do you go about it? Isn't PDL's something to do with his mother? I read somewhere that authors who write fiction books also often use fake names. I think there was actually a method available for coming up with one, which was something like using your Middle-name as a first name, and then using the road/street name of the first house you lived in as the surname... or something like that...

Anyway, any informed opinions are welcome as usual.


James




fevictor -> RE: STAGE NAMES... (Feb. 24 2006 2:25:32)

I think that a guy named Poindexter might have a hard time selling albums...or would you ever rent a XXX movie called Gertrude does the dishes?




Ryan002 -> RE: STAGE NAMES... (Feb. 24 2006 3:11:02)

I guess they just want a name that will really stick in the memory. Just like song lyrics, words that have a certain "intonation" are more memorable.

(Mind you it's beyond me why anyone would think "Engelbert Humperdinck" is a good stage name).




Miguel de Maria -> RE: STAGE NAMES... (Feb. 24 2006 4:31:33)

In my case, the stage name is a part of the overall marketing plan. This may seem a cold-blooded way to go about being a musician, but ya gotta make a living. The truth is that people don't just want a guy that plays well, they want a guy who looks like their image of a musician, who plays well, who dresses well, and who has a name that, if not evocative of the type of music they like, does not clash with it.

There are exceptions...for example, Ottmar Liebert. He has been very commercially successful with an Engelbert Humperdink kind of name.

If you want Spanishy music, you are going to look for a Spanishy name. As a musician, you may not place as much emphasis on looks or name or image, but most non-musicians do. It's a fact of life, to be ignored at your peril if you want work.

My name came about in a pretty obvious way. My name is Michael, the English form of Miguel. My favorite guitarist was Paco de Lucia, so I adopted the same format as his name. My mother's name is Mary. Voila! Instant stage name. I asked some people what they thought, got good responses, and there you go. By the way, I didn't ask people on internet forums, I asked people similiar to my prospective clients.




flyeogh -> RE: STAGE NAMES... (Feb. 24 2006 6:05:32)

~Bob Dylan's real name is Robert Allen Zimmerman - strangely I can imagine many might think that a good stage name [:D]

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I read somewhere that authors who write fiction books also often use fake names


In history women were not always thought superior to men (as now). In fact the opposite. Thus they often published with a mans name - George Eliot is Mary Ann Cross

James should you not have a stage name as a top luthier??

By the way El raton de Watford is not my real name either [:D][:D]




duende -> RE: STAGE NAMES... (Feb. 24 2006 7:47:56)

i would go for "Duende" ONLY JOKING i wouldn´t dare.
i think in sweden Henrik Håkansson would be best.[:)]




Doitsujin -> RE: STAGE NAMES... (Feb. 24 2006 8:18:38)

Tomatito, Paco de Lucia. Both stagenames.




Ricardo -> RE: STAGE NAMES... (Feb. 24 2006 8:38:59)

Well look, in Spain everyone has similar names, so the artists have a nickname or "stage" name to differentiate. Like Pepe de lucia, Tomatito, Camaron, are all named "JOSE". Imagine the anouncer, "now we will have perfoming Jose sanchez and Jose monje accompanied by Jose fernandez, enjoy". People in the audience have the same names as those guys, so pretty soon everyone will forgot which jose was which. So the nickname sticks. Like John, Paul, George and...Ringo. Imagine if they were John, John, John and...Jon.[8|]. At least it is not like Ahmet Moon Unit and Dweezil.

Ricardo




henrym3483 -> RE: STAGE NAMES... (Feb. 24 2006 10:02:13)

just for some laughs[:D] i said id have a go.

el niño de papa = the potato kid, cause im irish and i eat em by the ton[:D]

papapequeña=small potato.

enrique de geraldina= a la miguel de maria's reasoning

osonegro= black bear.nick name from school.




Ron.M -> RE: STAGE NAMES... (Feb. 24 2006 19:39:35)

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would you ever rent a XXX movie called Gertrude does the dishes?


fevictor,
Don't forget that not everyone is in their twenties...
"Gertrude does the dishes" I think is a beatifully understated title that leaves it up to the potential buyer's debauched imagination as to what Gertrude actually does...

(BTW..do you know where I can get a copy?)

LOL!

Ron




JBASHORUN -> RE: STAGE NAMES... (Feb. 24 2006 20:14:31)

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~Bob Dylan's real name is Robert Allen Zimmerman


I honestly never knew that!

Well, I think I'll have to come up with a stage name of my own...

Anyone know the Spanish word for "James"?!


Jb




Kate -> RE: STAGE NAMES... (Feb. 24 2006 21:05:19)

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ORIGINAL: JBASHORUN

Anyone know the Spanish word for "James"?!



I could be wrong but thinking of St. James, it could be Santiago. Makes a nice stage name anyways.

Kate




JBASHORUN -> RE: STAGE NAMES... (Feb. 24 2006 21:25:57)

quote:

I could be wrong but thinking of St. James, it could be Santiago. Makes a nice stage name anyways.

Kate


Thanks Kate! You're right, I did a google search... Santiago is "of St. James". Apparently "Diego" is the literal translation. Although I think I prefer Santiago...


Jb




Kate -> RE: STAGE NAMES... (Feb. 24 2006 22:08:19)

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ORIGINAL: JBASHORUN
Apparently "Diego" is the literal translation. Although I think I prefer Santiago...



Of course San Diego !! But I prefer Santiago as well.

Kate




Miguel de Maria -> RE: STAGE NAMES... (Feb. 24 2006 22:46:55)

That's a good stage name. Might be a good band name too.




Jamey -> RE: STAGE NAMES... (Feb. 26 2006 23:56:27)

I thought 'James' was 'Jaime'?

Hmmmm, 'Jaime' DOES sound sort of like, oh, I dunno......'Jamey'....

'Jaime de Canada'..........*BZZZZZZZZZZZT!!!* (lame).....

um......'Pollo de la Pradera'......Hey! - That's a keeper!

- Jamey




nacho -> RE: STAGE NAMES... (Mar. 1 2006 10:56:40)

Hi from Spain,

The stagenames like Paco de Lucía, Camarón de la Isla, Tomatito... have a familiar meaning, very usual in Spain. There are people with nicks that are 3-generation depth. If your grandfather was a butcher, your are going to have a butcher-like nick when you born. It's like the Johansson from nordic countries "Son of Johan" so in Spain "Paco de Lucía" means Paco (from Francisco, like Terry from Terence or Nacho from Ignacio) and "de Lucía" from Luzía, his mother's name (Luzía was born in Portugal).

Of course, sometimes the stagename comes just to remembers someone's name, for example "Paco Arroijatrulabeitia" it's not a very easy name to remember / print on CD's...

Hope it helps....

Cheers,
Nacho




John O. -> RE: STAGE NAMES... (Mar. 2 2006 17:28:16)

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"Gertrude does the dishes" I think is a beatifully understated title that leaves it up to the potential buyer's debauched imagination as to what Gertrude actually does...


Mmmm, Gertrude... [:D]




La Contratiempo -> RE: STAGE NAMES... (Mar. 2 2006 19:50:07)

quote:

JBASHORUN


is that your real name?

haha. I suppose you chose that name yourself. The tradition with spanish stagenames is actually that you don't choose them yourself. Either it's your nickname from everyday life, your family-nickname, or someone gave it to you to describe your artistic expression.

And just to make everything clear.
My name is Ellen - La Contratiempo I chose only for this forum, nobody gave it to me, and I don't use it on stage :o)

Ellen




Ron.M -> RE: STAGE NAMES... (Mar. 2 2006 20:10:23)

quote:

Mmmm, Gertrude...


My thoughts exactly John...[:D]

cheers

Ron




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Richard Jernigan -> RE: STAGE NAMES... (Mar. 17 2006 7:25:09)

???

James==>Jaime

"Bob Dylan's" birth certificate says Robert Zimmerman.

Sabicas' nickname came from an infantile mispronunciation of 'habas' [broad beans] of which he was inordinately fond as a child.

Perico el del Lunar obviously had a big mole.

The singer that Perico el del Lunar often accompanied at La Zambra in Madrid in the 50s and 60s had a nickname that is of a bit more standard type. The singer was Rafael Romero "El Gallina". "Gallina" means "hen", so it is obviously feminine. Why is it preceded by "El", the masculine article? It's really a contraction of "El [niño de La] Gallina.
His mother's nickname was La Gallina, hence "the boy of La Gallina"--shortened to the self-contradictory "El Gallina".

Then there was the overwhelmingly masterful, creative and famous singer of the late 19th, early 20th century, "Enrique El Mellizo". Literally, "Henry the twin". But he wasn't a twin. His father was, thus again "El" is a contraction of "El niño del".

There are nicknames that come from place names: Manolo de Huelva, the famous early 20th century guitarist from one of the Cinco Puertos; Melchor de Marchena, Diego del Gastor, even the great singer Manuel Mairena.

There are nicknames from personal caracteristics: the one-eyed Rafael el Tuerto, Manuel Torre, who was tall and strong.

There are nicknames from personal fashion: La Niña de Los Peines always wore a tall, elaborate comb in her hair.

There were nicknames from occupations: El Rojo el Alpargatero was both red-headed and a sandal maker.

Then there are nicknames that seem weird because we don't know where they come from:

Tia Anica el Borrico--aunt Annie [daughter of] "the donkey". We, or at least I, don't know how her dad got the nickname "The Donkey" [or even "the ass" or "the dunce"] so it seems a little funny.

and so on...

RNJ




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