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Piwin -> RE: In your locality – what’s it really like? (Jul. 7 2020 17:50:21)

I hope so too. I've been wondering how the Sacromonte tablaos in Granada will fare. I saw a short news report the other day about them re-opening. I forget which tablao they were showing, but, among other precautions, they had put up these big plastic canvases (see-through) between the "stage" and where the audience is seated. Though even with the precautions they're taking, I wonder if they'll manage to get people to come. Personally, I'm not yet in a headspace where going to a show seems wise. Particularly not in a tiny cave with poor ventilation...



rombsix -> RE: In your locality – what’s it really like? (Jul. 7 2020 21:57:41)

They went back to Phase 2 in Nashville after having moved to Phase 3 but we got then a record high of 608 new cases in one day. They also started a mask mandate.



flyeogh -> RE: In your locality – what’s it really like? (Aug. 9 2020 18:20:17)

Night before last went down to the local sports bar with my Spanish brother-in-law. The bar has been pretty sparsely populated of late but we arrived 3 minutes before kick off (Man City v Real Madrid) and I’ve never seen it so full. People perched everywhere trying to see one of 8 screens showing the match. Despite sitting on steps at least 10 meters outside the bar patio area we got served (advantage of being a local I guess). I seemed to be the only non Spaniard and got a few funny looks when I showed pleasure at the Man City goals. Second half we got some standing room where we could see a big screen through the open window. At the end of the game there was a loud cheer from a group of 4 or 5 spanish guys. I can only assume they were Atletico or Barca supporters.

Well our four (2 each) almost pints (macetas) cost 6.40 Euros so despite the turnout I can’t see the bar made a fortune. I’ve often seen Spaniards make a cana (small beer) last a whole game.

On the CCP virus there was little social distancing and not many masks positioned where they would be useful. But a good time was had by all. [:)]



Escribano -> RE: In your locality – what’s it really like? (Aug. 10 2020 12:24:27)

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On the CCP virus there was little social distancing and not many masks positioned where they would be useful.


As I host a Chinese friend over here, she would find this offensive as she has found in a few Italians shouting at her. All pretty sad, this Trumpian view of the world.



flyeogh -> RE: In your locality – what’s it really like? (Aug. 10 2020 12:43:26)

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As I host a Chinese friend over here, she would find this offensive


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On second thoughts forget it. I can't be bothered responding to cheap political gibes.



Ricardo -> RE: In your locality – what’s it really like? (Aug. 10 2020 18:39:24)

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ORIGINAL: flyeogh

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As I host a Chinese friend over here, she would find this offensive


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On second thoughts forget it. I can't be bothered responding to cheap political gibes.


Calling a pandemic flu by it’s origin is so 100 years ago man! [:D]



Piwin -> RE: In your locality – what’s it really like? (Aug. 10 2020 18:50:59)

Aren't you the one insisting on politicising every discussion about covid by calling it the "CCP virus"? Seems like practically begging for political reactions... Call it what you want, but FWIW I also have the same experience with Chinese acquaintances here: they do not perceive it at all as some sort of critique of the current Chinese regime, but very much associate it with racism. That's not a jibe at you. It's just information I think you would rather know: namely that whatever merits you find in calling it that, many do not perceive it the way you apparently hoped they would.



mark indigo -> RE: In your locality – what’s it really like? (Aug. 10 2020 20:35:06)

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CCP virus

what does that mean?



hamia -> RE: In your locality – what’s it really like? (Aug. 10 2020 21:22:38)

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ORIGINAL: Piwin

You're the one insisting on politicising every discussion about covid by calling it the "CCP virus". That's practically begging for political reactions... Call it what you want, but FWIW I also have the same experience with Chinese acquaintances here: they do not perceive it at all as some sort of critique of the current Chinese regime, but very much associate it with racism. That's not a gibe at you. It's just information I think you would rather know: namely that whatever merits you find in calling it that, many do not perceive it the way you apparently hoped they would.


Well, there's another side to that coin. In China there was a big social media push to get the virus blamed on the Americans. An implausible story about airmen visiting Wuhan but which nonetheless found many willing and uncritical believers. You can bet that was officially sanctioned. So I see nothing wrong if the locals try to educate the Chinese about this. Maybe they can go back to China and try to make some changes. And I've got no agenda either way - my wife and son are Chinese and I've lived there for over 20 years (on and off).



Escribano -> RE: In your locality – what’s it really like? (Aug. 10 2020 21:50:30)

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Calling a pandemic flu by it’s origin is so 100 years ago man!


The Spanish Flu' almost certainly did not originate in Spain, which is ironic considering flyeogh's post from Cádiz.



Piwin -> RE: In your locality – what’s it really like? (Aug. 10 2020 22:02:57)

I'm not sure what is educational about calling it "the CCP virus". It's just political signalling. And these new forms of cold war nationalism just feed on each other, stoke each other's fire as it were. One calls it the CCP virus, which makes another feel attacked and justified in counteracting by calling it the American virus. Or vice-versa. It certainly doesn't leave much room for a more critical reflexion on the situation. And of course, it's great fodder for politicians who, whichever country they happen to be in, can use it to deflect from their own responsibility.

As far as I'm concerned, it's SARS-cov-2, or covid or coronavirus for the sake of brevity. If I want to talk about political failings in China, I can do that just fine without adding politically loaded terminology. With the dizzying amount of institutional (and individual) failing we have seen pretty much all over the planet, I see no good reason to single out one country over others. There was a total of 9k confirmed cases when the WHO called it a global emergency. We're now at 20 million, still growing exponentially.



Escribano -> RE: In your locality – what’s it really like? (Aug. 10 2020 22:20:55)

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So I see nothing wrong if the locals try to educate the Chinese about this. Maybe they can go back to China and try to make some changes. And I've got no agenda either way - my wife and son are Chinese and I've lived there for over 20 years (on and off).


Sorry, which locals educate them about what? Who goes back to China to make changes?

Did we call Ebola the African virus, or Creutzfeldt-Jakob (mad cow) the UK disease? I don't think so. It just fits Trump's deflective agenda, and he has killed many thousands.

It's a dog whistle.



Escribano -> RE: In your locality – what’s it really like? (Aug. 10 2020 22:21:51)

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With the dizzying amount of institutional (and individual) failing we have seen pretty much all over the planet, I see no good reason to single out one country over others.


¡Olé!



Goldwinghai -> RE: In your locality – what’s it really like? (Aug. 11 2020 0:28:46)

In 1968 we had Hong Kong flu. It was mentioned as such everywhere in the newspapers. It knocked my brother out for several weeks. Then we have Lyme desease. It was named after a coastal town in Connecticut named Lyme. We also have Legionaire’s Desease, it was named after the Legionnaires met in Philadelphia.



Piwin -> RE: In your locality – what’s it really like? (Aug. 11 2020 0:54:22)

That kind of comparison might've worked for those who call it "Wuhan virus" or whatever. In fact, that is what they started out with. However, "Wuhan virus" could be mistakenly understood as just a description of the geographic origin of the pandemic. And this was not the message they wanted to convey. Hence why they switched to "CCP virus" (@mark it means Chinese Communist Party), which is overtly political and leaves no room at all for doubt about what they mean by it.

The way linguistic consensus emerges is endlessly fascinating. But once a consensus has emerged, it's perfectly reasonable to ask what are the motivations of those who refuse the commonly accepted term. If someone persistently writes "tick disease" instead of "Lyme's disease", then it would be perfectly reasonable to assume he's motivated to do so for political (writ large) reasons (whether we agree with those reasons is another matter). Likewise, when a consensus has emerged over how to call SARS-cov-2 in common parlance, someone who refuses to call it by any of the commonly accepted terms is doing so to signal something quite different, something that has nothing at all to do with the disease or with its geographic origin.

Nigel knows that I like him and don't mean any disrespect. I just think that when you call it "CCP virus", you know what you're doing, and responding to people's reaction to it by saying that you "can't be bothered responding to cheap political gibes" is rather unfair IMHO.

Back on topic: I'm also seeing more and more examples of people not respecting social distancing or other prevention measures. Given the amount of new confirmed cases over the last few weeks, it makes me fear that we'll soon be in for another hard lockdown, if not nationally, at least locally. I hope not, but I'm not optimistic given what I'm seeing...
I've said this before but man did you make the right call Goldwinghai when you decided not to travel!



Mark2 -> RE: In your locality – what’s it really like? (Aug. 11 2020 17:14:52)

Since we don't yet truly know the origin of the virus, it might be pre mature to define the "commonly accepted term"

Personally I am for waiting until we know before laying "blame"

But if it turns out the Chinese government has responsibility for it, then let the chips fall.


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ORIGINAL: Piwin

That kind of comparison might've worked for those who call it "Wuhan virus" or whatever. In fact, that is what they started out with. However, "Wuhan virus" could be mistakenly understood as just a description of the geographic origin of the pandemic. And this was not the message they wanted to convey. Hence why they switched to "CCP virus" (@mark it means Chinese Communist Party), which is overtly political and leaves no room at all for doubt about what they mean by it.

The way linguistic consensus emerges is endlessly fascinating. But once a consensus has emerged, it's perfectly reasonable to ask what are the motivations of those who refuse the commonly accepted term. If someone persistently writes "tick disease" instead of "Lyme's disease", then it would be perfectly reasonable to assume he's motivated to do so for political (writ large) reasons (whether we agree with those reasons is another matter). Likewise, when a consensus has emerged over how to call SARS-cov-2 in common parlance, someone who refuses to call it by any of the commonly accepted terms is doing so to signal something quite different, something that has nothing at all to do with the disease or with its geographic origin.

Nigel knows that I like him and don't mean any disrespect. I just think that when you call it "CCP virus", you know what you're doing, and responding to people's reaction to it by saying that you "can't be bothered responding to cheap political gibes" is rather unfair IMHO.

Back on topic: I'm also seeing more and more examples of people not respecting social distancing or other prevention measures. Given the amount of new confirmed cases over the last few weeks, it makes me fear that we'll soon be in for another hard lockdown, if not nationally, at least locally. I hope not, but I'm not optimistic given what I'm seeing...
I've said this before but man did you make the right call Goldwinghai when you decided not to travel!



Ricardo -> RE: In your locality – what’s it really like? (Aug. 11 2020 19:06:22)

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ORIGINAL: Goldwinghai

In 1968 we had Hong Kong flu. It was mentioned as such everywhere in the newspapers. It knocked my brother out for several weeks. Then we have Lyme desease. It was named after a coastal town in Connecticut named Lyme. We also have Legionaire’s Desease, it was named after the Legionnaires met in Philadelphia.


How dare you... please stop the virus shaming!!! [:D]

What I meant to say was calling a virus by the name of “whose fault it is I’m dealing with this over here when I shouldn’t be” virus, is so 100 years ago. I guess it’s not THAT old of a practice.



mark indigo -> RE: In your locality – what’s it really like? (Aug. 11 2020 21:51:20)

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"CCP virus" (@mark it means Chinese Communist Party),


Right, so calling it the "CCP virus" means that the person using that term thinks the chinese government is responsible for creating and unleashing the covid/coronavirus?!

And by extension all chinese people are responsible for it (even though none of them voted for that government and regardless of if they support it or not)?

sounds paranoid in the first instance and xenophobic in the second...[&:]



Piwin -> RE: In your locality – what’s it really like? (Aug. 11 2020 22:35:18)

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is responsible for creating and unleashing the covid/coronavirus


Not necessarily, though the term is certainly used by people who do believe that. I think it runs the gamut from the more extreme conspiracies of biological warfare, to notions of a lab accident all the way down to just a focus on how the institutional reaction to the virus in the very early days was pretty sh1tty. In any event, the point is to assign blame to the Chinese regime as uniquely culpable of the situation we find ourselves in. It's political signalling.



kitarist -> RE: In your locality – what’s it really like? (Aug. 14 2020 18:27:15)

Fun facts:

1. While there is not enough data to pinpoint the exact start, the first reported cases of the 1918 flu were from Kansas, USA:

"The pandemic is conventionally marked as having begun on 4 March 1918, with the recording of the case of Albert Gitchell, an army cook at Camp Funston in Kansas, United States, despite there likely having been cases before him. The disease had been observed in Haskell County [Kansas] in January 1918, prompting local doctor Loring Miner to warn the US Public Health Service's academic journal."

2. Ironically, the flu was incorrectly named 'Spanish' as a result of neutral Spain's transparent reporting vs. other countries' war censorship (!):

"The first observations of illness and mortality were documented in the United States, France , Germany and the United Kingdom. To maintain morale, World War I censors minimized these early reports. Newspapers were free to report the epidemic's effects in neutral Spain, such as the grave illness of King Alfonso XIII, and these stories created a false impression of Spain as especially hard hit. This gave rise to the name "Spanish" flu."

Both quotes from https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spanish_flu



Graham_B -> RE: In your locality – what’s it really like? (Sep. 26 2020 8:54:52)

The North West of England is back into lockdown. I'm back to working from home again and visit to the local supermarket shows that toilet rolls are suddenly a very popular buy...
But you can go to the pub until 10pm???



Escribano -> RE: In your locality – what’s it really like? (Sep. 26 2020 9:48:00)

Here, they fear the virus, not the state. I don't think they see it as a loss of freedom, more the protection of life. Nearly everyone wears masks, even outside (which is not legally required). They will look at you funny if you are not at least displaying yours. I wear mine around my arm when in the clear outside to reassure them. You see lone drivers wearing a mask in their own car. Hand sanitisers are everywhere and some small shops still limit to one person at a time.

You will see orderly, distanced queues for the pharmacy, the post office and the bakers. Still they go to bars and cafes. They will go to the market and mingle at a respectful distance. The regional and commune instructions have always be clear and presented in good time. No U-turns to my knowledge. Lots of local initiatives to promote culture, outdoor films, museums and concerts etc.

There are more inter-generational families in a single house. One of the main factors in the initial infections in Lombardy. Many students are at home, studying on line.
Italy is seen as doing very well, for now. Perhaps they have more respect for their community, their family and their elders?

A relevant article from the Guardian



Richard Jernigan -> RE: In your locality – what’s it really like? (Oct. 3 2020 1:53:01)

I really shouldn't have been surprised, but...

Austin and Houston have tried to lessen the danger of the upcoming election. Houston has mailed out applications for mail-in ballots. Not ballots themselves, rather the standard application form used for years.

There's kind of a double Catch 22 involved. You can vote by mail if you're over 65, or if you have a health issue or disability that keeps you from voting in person, or if you're actually going to be out of your home county on election day. The Republican Party brought a lawsuit, which the right wing State Supreme Court upheld, specifying that fear of contracting the coronavirus didn't qualify you for mail-in voting. But the law says that election officials may not inquire into the voter's claim of a health issue, and you don't have to be specific on the application form. So the Republicans' lawsuit is ineffective in practice.

All the major cities have started setting up stations where you can drop off your maiil-in ballot, which goes straight to the election officials without getting choked up in the Post Office. But our heroic governor has issued an order that there will be only one such station per county, so there can be poll watchers there to protect our sacred right to vote. He seems to have forgotten that there are statutory provisions for poll watchers at every polling place, including the drop off sites.

This one is going to court too, but I'm not holding out much hope that reason will prevail.

Demographic trends show that Texas will almost surely have a Democrat majority some time in the fairly near future. Meanwhile the Republicans are mounting a rear guard defense worthy of Roland at Roncesvalles--equally suicidal, both figuratively and literally.

RNJ



Piwin -> RE: In your locality – what’s it really like? (Oct. 3 2020 6:05:30)

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worthy of Roland at Roncesvalles


In the last moments of the battle, a mortally-wounded Roland swung his sword against the cliffs that demarcate the top of the cirque of Gavarnie in an attempt to destroy it. Durandal, the legendary blade forged by Weyland the Smith (known as Galan in the French tradition), must not fall in Saracen hands. But Durandal did not break. Instead, the mountain did, and a breach 40m wide and 70m high opened up in the rock. Such was the strength of Durandal. In a last-ditch effort to safeguard the weapon, Roland asked the Archangel Michael for help, blew a call in his oliphant that was heard hundreds of kilometers around and heaved Durandal towards France. It landed in Rocamadour, some 300km north, safe from enemy hands.

The breach (first picture, center left) straddles the border between France and Spain. It feels like walking through a great door from one country to the other. In Rocamadour there is a stand-in sword in the cliff to represent where Durandal landed. It can be found near the top of the chapel Notre-Dame de Rocamadour, a pilgrimage site known for its Black Madonna.

On the Spanish side, the legend has a cornered Roland escaping his pursuers by jumping on his horse from one rock formation to another at the "Salto de Roldan" (2nd picture), near Huesca. The horse died from the jump, but Roland survived. He then made his way to Gavarnie and smote the mountain to be able to cast his gaze on his beloved homeland one last time before dying.

The stories we tell...





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BarkellWH -> RE: In your locality – what’s it really like? (Oct. 3 2020 13:00:43)

Wow! Bringing to life one of the great legends of the Western canon. Thanks for those pics, Piwin.

Bill



singlechange -> RE: In your locality – what’s it really like? (Oct. 4 2020 3:12:43)

In Washington, D.C. metropolitan area where I am, history is in the making with the POTUS and first lady in quarantine today. Somehow this feels more stressful than on the morning of 2001 in September when I escaped the same city on foot because the subways were shut down and streets like a giant car park.



Piwin -> RE: In your locality – what’s it really like? (Jan. 21 2021 7:02:56)

[X(]: over here life is hard. Covid just keeps on spreading, and I'm the only one here who wears a mask. I'm surrounded by idiots who just won't wear one.

[>:][:o][:-][&o][8|]: dude...we're bits of computer code...we can't get covid.

[X(]: Tell that to those that we've already lost. RIP
[sm=._kiss.gif][sm=._lol.gif][sm=._rolleyes.gif][sm=._Smiley Guitar.gif][sm=._tongue.gif] and [sm=WS_FTP.LOG]

[:@]: well, I've tried but how the hell am I supposed to put a mask on when I don't have ears?!

[8|]: Come on man, that joke's a little on the nose.

[:@]: What nose? That's the whole point. How the hell are your glasses staying on when you have neither a nose nor ears?

[8D]: You know that muscle you contract to stop peeing? You gotta contract that and the shape of your face will change just enough so glasses will stick.

[:@]: Wait, we can pee?

[&o]: I wish someone would've told me that years ago... I'm not feeling so well from holding it in so long.

[:D]: Nah you just look like that coz you're sad that nobody ever uses you.

[&o]: Bob, come here, I need you to say something for me.

[:(]: What?

[&o]: Come here, I need you to react to mister popular here.

[:(]: OK.

[&o]:[:(]

[:D]:[:D][:D][:D][:D]

[:)]: You're so self-centered dude... Using yourself in your own messages...

[:D]: At least I don't look like an earless Pikachu.

[X(]: sigh...there's no hope...



(well...that was one way to procrastinate...)



ernandez R -> RE: In your locality – what’s it really like? (Jan. 22 2021 5:24:23)

Bernie kept give by me grief about the cold and saying I was out of compas...



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Piwin -> RE: In your locality – what’s it really like? (Jan. 22 2021 8:13:37)

[:D]



mark indigo -> RE: In your locality – what’s it really like? (Jan. 25 2021 22:14:46)

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: over here life is hard. Covid just keeps on spreading, and I'm the only one here who wears a mask. I'm surrounded by idiots who just won't wear one.


Are you in lockdown? What are the rules there?

Here we are in lockdown, so only supposed to go out for essentials like food shopping or medicine. Allowed out once a day for exercise but supposed to "stay local" ie. not drive more than 5 miles/8 kilometres to take a walk in the park or whatever. Rules allow anyone to do that with one other person from another household but apart from that people from different households are not supposed to mix at all. Masks should be worn in shops or on public transport but are not required in other public spaces. There are daily reports of "Covidiots" who drove 100 miles for fish and chips, or to pick up a kebab....



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