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flyeogh -> Your repertoire? (Mar. 9 2020 7:10:24)

As a hobbyist player (about 60-90 mins everyday) how many palos should I learn? I could immerse myself in one palo playing many compas variations, adornos, falsetas, styles, etc. Or should I progress through many (as many course books seem to encourage)? Or look at a group of similar palos? Or what would be a happy medium?

I know it is horses for courses but I'd be interested to know how many palos do you hobbyists out there have in your repertoire? How many falsetas or compas variations per palo? Does your brain eventually fill up? [&:] Do you invest time only to later forget? Or is it just my age?[X(]

Ps: when I see my prof offers 20 palos for private events, or listen to Ricardo playing 5 minute complex pieces in dozens of styles and palos, I go all boggle-eyed [:-] But the world of pro flamenco players always does that to me[:D]



gerundino63 -> RE: Your repertoire? (Mar. 9 2020 8:22:18)

Ofcourse I can only speak for myself, but I like to keep a repetoir at a “hobby performing” level.
So I play 11 palos, and a few rumba’s. So, that makes 15.

Farruca, Solea, Buleria, Taranta, Granainas, peternera, Alegrias de Cordoba, Tientos, Sevillanas, Seguiriyas, Alegrias.

After practicing I play 5 of them every day, so it takes not to much time to keep the repetoir on level.
On this wat I play every palo twice a week.

Remembering is easy this way.



Piwin -> RE: Your repertoire? (Mar. 9 2020 8:35:15)

If you get the chance, maybe see if you can go to some of the dance classes your teacher accompanies. Because if you want variations on compas, that's a good way of doing it. It's also a good way of embodying those rhythms, so that it's no longer just intellectual knowledge that your brain might forget. I'd forget a lot of things when I was just learning set pieces. But what you learn in accompanying tends to stick. And if ever it started to be a regular thing, you'd no longer have to worry about what palos to explore since the dance class's schedule would make that decision for you. [:)]

If you can't do that but you have a bit of money to spend, you could also ask your teacher to invite a dancer to some of your classes (you'd have to pay the dancer for the class too). Like, have one class just with your teacher where you'd prepare the basics, and then the following week have a dancer come in and work on applying what you learned in context.

Anyway, that's just me. I find it more pleasurable to approach it that way and it also gives me more confidence. When I was starting out and just learned set pieces or falsetas, if ever I forgot a bit I'd just be stuck: "what's the next bit already?". But once you've got the fundamentals down, which for me are just easier to learn through accompanying, you can weasle your way out of anything and keep on playing. With that you can end up having a fairly large range of palos at a comfortable level.

And I'd go with the "happy medium". [8D] If you focus too much on one palo, honestly it's just a bottomless pit.

Note that my way requires socializing with new people, which may or may not be a good idea these days depending on how your approaching this whole coronavirus thing. Well, it's not exactly coronavirus, in your case it's the Andalusian strand: the cruzcampovirus [:D][:D]



flyeogh -> RE: Your repertoire? (Mar. 10 2020 19:20:46)

Tx guys for the comments - interesting. Personally I'm focusing on Farruca and Fandangos. But the materials I have for Fandangos are very varied and very extensive. I sometimes try to keep my Solea and limited Alegria and Sevillanas ticking over. Plus a few classical and popular pieces.

My online prof who supplies most of my material is Paco Costa. My face to face guy Moises I see in Jerez and we mainly just play and he spots things to improve my technique.

That said I may after this Friday skip a few sessions and see how the virus develops. Don't want to let him down but I have to try and isolate my MIL from this as it would probably kill here. That said with her support people in each day it is almost impossible.

For long compas practice I just play while watching football. And if my team score I add a rolling ras [:D] Not sure I want to visit the dance school just yet.

ps: I'm more likely to get the Estrella virus than the cruzcampo one. Hopefully the hot weather will take a firm hold and slow down the Corona virus and make drinking more cold beer easier to justify. Cheers [:)]



rombsix -> RE: Your repertoire? (Mar. 10 2020 23:51:53)

I had the sad realization the other day that I haven't learned / composed anything appreciably new now for several years, so I plan to change that. [:D][8D]



flyeogh -> RE: Your repertoire? (Mar. 12 2020 6:05:32)

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I haven't learned / composed anything appreciably new now for several years,


Ramzi is that because you had little time? Or that you'd lacked motivation?

I do find that I need to have a couple of defined deliverables/projects (for the want of a better word) to maintain high enthusiasm. [8D]



rombsix -> RE: Your repertoire? (Mar. 12 2020 8:53:46)

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Ramzi is that because you had little time? Or that you'd lacked motivation?


The former.



mark indigo -> RE: Your repertoire? (Mar. 13 2020 16:35:45)

quote:

As a hobbyist player (about 60-90 mins everyday) how many palos should I learn? I could immerse myself in one palo playing many compas variations, adornos, falsetas, styles, etc. Or should I progress through many (as many course books seem to encourage)? Or look at a group of similar palos? Or what would be a happy medium?


as a hobbyist player, just do what you want. if you like solea, play that. if you like bulerias, play that. it doesn't matter as long as you enjoy it.

i have played for dance classes for years so i have a lot of bits and pieces that i have learned and played for dance classes and choreographies. I can play a bit of just about every palo, even if it is only basic compas, or basic compas and a few fills and variations. If and when a palo gets asked for i can use the basic stuff i know and expand as i go along. The palos that are used more often I have more material for, so I have more stuff for solea, siguiriyas, bulerias, tangos, fandangos, alegrias, sevillanas etc. but a lot of that stuff is in various states of disrepair if i haven't used or revisited it lately. I also have complete "solos" that i have learned from recordings that i play, and a few solos i have made up.



devilhand -> RE: Your repertoire? (Mar. 14 2020 14:20:52)

My repertoire? Zero at the moment. After few years everything except Rumba. In this video rumba starting from 2:16 [:'(]




Ricardo -> RE: Your repertoire? (Mar. 14 2020 16:42:08)

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ORIGINAL: devilhand

My repertoire? Zero at the moment. After few years everything except Rumba. In this video rumba starting from 2:16 [:'(]




Chorbos are pretty cool actually. Angel de Alora is amazing, never found any recordings but every example they use him for is exquisite. Fandango de macande was especially nice. Perhaps Pena Hijo was his inspiration?

My repertoire has been suffering due to rumba gigs demand. I’ve been vocal training with metal, Queensrÿche Helloween priest Maiden Yngwie etc. funny how easy singing flamenco feels after practicing that stuff 😂



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