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Paul Magnussen -> Ramón Montoya on video (Jun. 26 2019 19:42:44)

Paco Peña recently pointed out to me that there actually exists a minuscule clip of Ramón Montoya on video, in a 1938 film of Imperio Argentina’s: he is playing with Carlos — they both have hair!

Here are two YouTube clips. The first appears to be a shorter version of the second, (starting at about five minutes into the latter, and showing the close-up of Ramón sooner).





gerundino63 -> RE: Ramón Montoya on video (Jun. 26 2019 20:31:05)

Thanks Paul.
I enjoyed it a lot. Interesting to see how they made movies in that time.
After the dumb movies or the movies with mo sound (sorry, I do not know the proper english word for that) what a spectacular event it must be for people to watch this in the cinema....



BarkellWH -> RE: Ramón Montoya on video (Jun. 26 2019 21:16:39)

Very cool, Paul. Thanks for posting. It hooked me into wanting to watch the entire film, and not just for Ramon Montoya. It looks interesting, and her singing was great. I wonder if the entire film exists in some format?

Bill



kitarist -> RE: Ramón Montoya on video (Jun. 27 2019 0:52:25)

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ORIGINAL: BarkellWH

Very cool, Paul. Thanks for posting. It hooked me into wanting to watch the entire film, and not just for Ramon Montoya. It looks interesting, and her singing was great. I wonder if the entire film exists in some format?

Bill



Hi Bill,

I found it here : https://ok.ru/videoembed/95010884336

The pccine tag disappears after 3 minutes, so it is not too bad. The scene shown in the excerpts above is from approx. 12:00 in the film. There might be other scenes showing the Montoyas; I have not watched the film.

Another copy, without the tag, is at https://vk.com/video_ext.php?oid=371450&id=171507000&hash=c0b66621c261b266&hd=2 but at the price of a free registration.



Paul Magnussen -> RE: Ramón Montoya on video (Jun. 27 2019 1:49:52)

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After the dumb movies or the movies with mo sound (sorry, I do not know the proper english word for that)


Silent movies [:)]



RobJe -> RE: Ramón Montoya on video (Jun. 27 2019 9:02:29)

Nice find.

It looks as if Ramon's nephew Carlos Montoya is the second guitarist.


I seem to remember Paco Pena playing the melody of La Chiquita Piconera as a bulerias falseta.

Rob



Ricardo -> RE: Ramón Montoya on video (Jun. 27 2019 16:17:15)

This discovery was first made by Estela and we had an excited convo a while back:

http://www.foroflamenco.com/tm.asp?m=255925&mpage=1&p=&tmode=1&smode=1&key=ramon%2Cmontoya%2C1938

Also the picado buleria that copies the melody she sings was first done by Sabicas (though himself stole some N. Ricardo stuff in the same buleria so I allow that possibility as well).

If you read through some great info from Carlos Montoya’s relative even, I notice even YOU Paul commented. [:D]



etta -> RE: Ramón Montoya on video (Jun. 27 2019 17:16:15)

Thanks much, Paul, for the video. Not too many of us hold the guitar anymore like the Montoyas of that day. Many years after buying my first flamenco guitar from Carlos, I met him at the World's Fair in Knoxville, Tn, 1982. I was there playing banjo in the "folk life" section, and attended an evening solo concert by Carlos. We met afterwards and chatted briefly in his dressing room; his wife Sally was especially cordial and conversational. That concert and meeting were the highlights of my three weeks at the fair. Thanks, again



Paul Magnussen -> RE: Ramón Montoya on video (Jun. 27 2019 20:15:14)

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If you read through some great info from Carlos Montoya’s relative even, I notice even YOU Paul commented


Wow, so I did! Memory starts failing when you get to my age, what can I say? [:@]



gerundino63 -> RE: Ramón Montoya on video (Jun. 28 2019 8:25:20)

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Silent movies


Thanks Paul, never too old to improve my english. 😉



kitarist -> RE: Ramón Montoya on video (Jul. 1 2019 17:55:18)

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ORIGINAL: kitarist

I found it here : https://ok.ru/videoembed/95010884336

The pccine tag disappears after 3 minutes, so it is not too bad. The scene shown in the excerpts above is from approx. 12:00 in the film. There might be other scenes showing the Montoyas; I have not watched the film.

Another copy, without the tag, is at https://vk.com/video_ext.php?oid=371450&id=171507000&hash=c0b66621c261b266&hd=2 but at the price of a free registration.


Was anyone able to access the full film at one of the links above? They seem to work for me.



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