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Schieper -> RE: Sabicas had no compas (Feb. 12 2019 11:04:43)

the guy clearly says:
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Learning his music won't help you play Flamenco as it is played today.

Emphasis on TODAY. And the he qualifies today's compas as exact metronome timing.

For me, that sounds right. Personally, I do not prefer THAT modern approach to Flamenco. Same as Steve Vai. Great guitarist but cannot stand more than half of a song a year.

Anyway; In flamenco you have the term "Duende" for those rare extraordinary inspiring moments when the deepest emotions get transferred from the musician to the audience. I have that on a recording of Austerlitz from Segovia and on a recording from Sabicas where suddenly on a clear cold night, the sky brakes open and enormous swarm of falling starts decent to earth. I will look that up if I have time and see if I can share that.

I believe you should listen to Manitas de Plata if you want to complain about compass.




Grisha -> RE: Sabicas had no compas (Feb. 12 2019 15:40:30)

The older I get the more I realize just how high was the level of maestros like Sabicas and Paco. I don't believe for one second that Sabicas couldn't do something on the guitar or as musician. I am sure, if it was called for, he would play in strict compas with great metronomical precision keeping the time steady as a rock. He just didn't give as much importance to it as today's players do. There was a different mentality back in the day.

I view a piece of music as a living creature that breathes. Sometimes, when emotions get the better of us, we tend to breathe harder and faster, or may get short of breath. Why can't a piece of music?




Richard Jernigan -> RE: Sabicas had no compas (Feb. 12 2019 16:36:42)

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ORIGINAL: Grisha

The older I get the more I realize just how high was the level of maestros like Sabicas and Paco. I don't believe for one second that Sabicas couldn't do something on the guitar or as musician. I am sure, if it was called for, he would play in strict compas with great metronomical precision keeping the time steady as a rock. He just didn't give as much importance to it as today's players do. There was a different mentality back in the day.

I view a piece of music as a living creature that breathes. Sometimes, when emotions get the better of us, we tend to breathe harder and faster, or may get short of breath. Why can't a piece of music?


I only saw Carmen Amaya once in person, but several times on film. An exciting feature of her dance performance was the elasticity of its rhythm. She accelerated and decelerated with great emotional effect.

As is well known, not only was Sabicas Carmen Amaya's lead accompanist during the peak of her career, they were also lovers as well. To me Sabicas' accelerandos and decelerandos were always danceable, and they reminded me of Carmen's rhythmic flexibility.

RNJ




Paul Magnussen -> RE: Sabicas had no compas (Feb. 12 2019 16:45:25)

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I believe you should listen to Manitas de Plata if you want to complain about compass.


For example, his Hommage a Sabicas. [:D]




Schieper -> RE: Sabicas had no compas (Feb. 12 2019 19:15:00)

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quote:I believe you should listen to Manitas de Plata if you want to complain about compass. For example, his Hommage a Sabicas.


so funny Paul :-) full circle




RobF -> RE: Sabicas had no compas (Feb. 19 2019 23:23:18)

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ORIGINAL: BarkellWH
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...blowhard adding his voice to that of all the other blowhards in this world.




(Note the headstock) [:D]

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hamia -> RE: Sabicas had no compas (Feb. 20 2019 17:26:43)

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ORIGINAL: RobF

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ORIGINAL: BarkellWH
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...blowhard adding his voice to that of all the other blowhards in this world.




(Note the headstock) [:D]


Ha ha ...

Someone needs to find that guy and get him on the forum...if he's not here already.

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jalalkun -> RE: Sabicas had no compas (Feb. 21 2019 20:33:33)

he's playing an 1878 antonio de torres with a liberated top, but obsolete single soundhole so no 3d sound ๐Ÿ˜




Estevan -> RE: Sabicas had no compas (Feb. 28 2019 23:21:43)

Strange, then that young Paco dreamed of being able to play like Sabicas...

PACO DE LUCIA Y TOMATITO HABLANDO DE SABICAS




Pimientito -> RE: Sabicas had no compas (Mar. 17 2019 16:14:07)

The photo is obviously an early beer delivery system for guitarsts that allow them to drink without having to stop playing. Im sure it helps with Compas issues too.




RobF -> RE: Sabicas had no compas (Mar. 17 2019 23:07:29)

Or maybe itโ€™s a bong [:D]




Turner -> RE: Sabicas had no compas (Mar. 23 2019 22:11:01)

[:D]

Could be, he certainly looks happy enough. First bong I've seen with a high capacity magazine fitted. [8|]




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