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jg7238 -> My student doing a gig and he invited me to play with him.. (Aug. 15 2018 4:30:34)

So as the topic reads, my student has been doing a gig and he invited me to join him at his last performance. I originally told him we needed to work things out a bit better before playing together. But he said it wouldn’t be a problem so I went with it. I played one solo then tried to follow him throughout the evening. My student received an email from the manager of the restaurant and told him that he wanted a more professional type of music because it sounded more like a loose jam. The manager wanted “Spanish guitar and some flamenco”. Anyway, my student will continue playing there. There was never a problem until I tried to lend a hand?WTF? It’s only playing for tips by the way. Also it is not my first time playing out in public. Obviously it could’ve been better as far as playing together but I’m dazed and confused about it. It’s a light setting. Maybe the staff or the manager didn’t take a great liking to me? Just wondering.



henrym3483 -> RE: My student doing a gig and he invited me to play with him.. (Aug. 15 2018 8:54:49)

jg7238,

There's no accounting for restaurant managers and their tastes, most are musical troglodites. The manager thinks flamenco is probably benise or something else. I'd ignore it, you're an accomplished player.

I do not play in public anymore unless it is for a set fee/charge or as a favour (charity, benefit gig, family).

Regards playing for tip's that's a joke, i'd tell your student to move onto bigger and better things and find a paying gig.



Ricardo -> RE: My student doing a gig and he invited me to play with him.. (Aug. 15 2018 12:46:35)

“Only playing for tips”.... and “manager wants more professional type of music” are exactly the problem here.



SephardRick -> RE: My student doing a gig and he invited me to play with him.. (Aug. 15 2018 14:36:04)

I'm with Ricardo on this. Those are just excuses used for not paying you. Don't let it shake your public playing confidence. Unless the student fires you as an instructor.



henrym3483 -> RE: My student doing a gig and he invited me to play with him.. (Aug. 15 2018 14:57:21)

Juan,

Which city is the restaurant in? Just curious..[8|]



jg7238 -> RE: My student doing a gig and he invited me to play with him.. (Aug. 15 2018 16:03:23)

Yonkers, NY



Mark2 -> RE: My student doing a gig and he invited me to play with him.. (Aug. 15 2018 17:23:58)

Hilarious. Your playing is at a pretty damn high level, which is obvious to the members here. Your student is ok with this guy, but when you show up, it's not pro? What a joke. If the guy had ears, when he heard your solo he would have realized how lucky he was that you showed up, and done whatever he could to have you there on a regular basis.

It's not you, it's the clueless "manager"



rombsix -> RE: My student doing a gig and he invited me to play with him.. (Aug. 15 2018 18:29:39)

Sounds like the manager has no idea what he's talking about / listening to.



BarkellWH -> RE: My student doing a gig and he invited me to play with him.. (Aug. 15 2018 19:36:14)

Your solo should have been convincing enough of your ability to play. Since your student was the one who initiated the idea of joining him in his performance, it seems to me that he should have mounted a defense of your playing. The manager's ignorance is part of the problem, but it appears to me that your student is part of the problem as well for not having come to your defense.

Bill



Leñador -> RE: My student doing a gig and he invited me to play with him.. (Aug. 15 2018 21:20:37)

Really dumb, sorry you had to deal with that.
Out of curiosity, what were you guys playing when you had to play together?



El Burdo -> RE: My student doing a gig and he invited me to play with him.. (Aug. 15 2018 22:59:17)

Playing for tips huh? Well, keep at it, because someday you'll be asked to play (for an agency, or some sort of media company etc) at a VERY IMPORTANT EVENT though, sadly, there'll be no money (they're afraid) BUT there'll be some very important people there (you know, movers and shakers) who'll blah blah blah...



jg7238 -> RE: My student doing a gig and he invited me to play with him.. (Aug. 15 2018 23:27:46)

@Ricardo: I kind of agree there but he insisted so I went with it.

@Mark2: Well, the manager was not completely wrong in saying that it sounded like a loose jam. As far as the duets go, it did sound a bit disjointed but some people still liked it anyway.
[:D]

@Ramzi: I don't want to knock the manager because he was partially correct in saying "it sounded too much like a loose jam". I just don't get the "more professional " type music part.[:)]

@Bill:I agree. My solo was not a problem although I didn't get the feeling that the audience understood Bulerias. It 's my student's gig so I'm not really disappointed in him for not supporting me after the manager's feedback. It's just a bit strange that my student insisted so much even after I told him we needed more time to do this and then not back me up.

@Lenny: Well he has this set list he goes by. His program is quite mixed. He sings as well. (Tango en skai by R. Dyens. Tarantas. Farruca .. Cavatina by S. Myers. then he sings "Volare" by Gypsy Kings." Bamboleo". Some Bossa Nova. "Asturias" by Albeniz. We did a butchered version of "Moorea." I honestly didn't know the piece so I faked it a bit. [:D] We also did some easy rumba chord sequences then I soloed a bit. Milongas too. The duet stuff was clearly not prepared. It was more of a spontaneous thing happening. He goes all over the place so it's not easy following him. His rumba strumming can still improve but anyway that's that.



rombsix -> RE: My student doing a gig and he invited me to play with him.. (Aug. 15 2018 23:32:37)

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I just don't get the "more professional " type music part.


I see - perhaps this means "better prepared and rehearsed" rather than improvised on the spot?



jg7238 -> RE: My student doing a gig and he invited me to play with him.. (Aug. 16 2018 0:06:58)

Yeah but my student pretty much improvises on the spot in my opinion. It’s all over the place Ramzi. No structure even on the solo pieces. He’s quite something but he just loves playing despite all the flaws.



rombsix -> RE: My student doing a gig and he invited me to play with him.. (Aug. 16 2018 0:44:03)

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Yeah but my student pretty much improvises on the spot in my opinion. It’s all over the place Ramzi. No structure even on the solo pieces. He’s quite something but he just loves playing despite all the flaws.


Do you have a recording of your student? [:)]



jg7238 -> RE: My student doing a gig and he invited me to play with him.. (Aug. 16 2018 1:53:46)

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Do you have a recording of your student?


I'll have to ask him. Not sure if he records his stuff. I'm assuming he does though. But I think I agree with you regarding the manager as being clueless man. I think I'll go my own way because to me that was an insult frankly. It's playing for tips only so I must not be good enough to play for tips. Oh well. What a strange world.



rombsix -> RE: My student doing a gig and he invited me to play with him.. (Aug. 16 2018 3:44:04)

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I'll have to ask him. Not sure if he records his stuff. I'm assuming he does though. But I think I agree with you regarding the manager as being clueless man. I think I'll go my own way because to me that was an insult frankly. It's playing for tips only so I must not be good enough to play for tips. Oh well. What a strange world.


Yeah man, regardless of how good you are / helpful you try to be, there will always be folks around you that are dissatisfied. That's just how it is, unfortunately. LOL - gotta try to associate more with folks who appreciate you rather than bring you down.



Leñador -> RE: My student doing a gig and he invited me to play with him.. (Aug. 16 2018 5:05:13)

Oh man you were screwed from the get go. To the untrained ear one mediocre person just going at it making it up as he goes along might pass. Add an actual musician trying to follow and clean up the mess behind him and it's gunna start sounding like a jam session. It's definitely not your fault. If you had a player of your level to play off of it would've been a different story.
You're a monster, end of story.



RobF -> RE: My student doing a gig and he invited me to play with him.. (Aug. 16 2018 12:17:10)

I wouldn’t be too hard on myself or the restaurant either, for that matter. It’s highly likely they would have really enjoyed hearing you play more solo pieces. You’re a great player; it’s just that what happened with the duet didn’t work out in that setting.

In his defence, the manager is just trying to control the ambience of his restaurant, it’s his job. The onus lies more on your student to learn to read rooms properly, IMO. He shouldn’t have pressured you into doing a duet when he knew you had misgivings, in that sense he wasn’t being very professional and the manager called him out for it.



RobF -> RE: My student doing a gig and he invited me to play with him.. (Aug. 16 2018 17:41:45)

It sucks to be caught in the crossfire, though. Here you are trying to do someone a favour and you end up feeling slammed for it...



jg7238 -> RE: My student doing a gig and he invited me to play with him.. (Aug. 16 2018 19:08:41)

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gotta try to associate more with folks who appreciate you rather than bring you down.


You said it my friend.

Lenny, I think you are right. Sometimes another part of me says I should have put on the brakes and prepared it better like I initially told him. Oh well. Rob: I agree with you.



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