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estebanana -> RE: Several things I am curious about the guitar. (Jul. 4 2018 5:33:16)

Yes, absolutely too strong. I'm sorry, it was presumptuous of me. After all saddles really are an equestrian bit of kit and what would singers and dancers know from dressage.




constructordeguitarras -> RE: Several things I am curious about the guitar. (Jul. 4 2018 14:50:04)

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Julian Bream eventually had Hauser II replace the back of the famous Romanillos #501, which kept cracking. The guitar was French polished on the outside, but untreated on the inside. He didn't ask Romanillos to do it because Hauser had a better stock of seasoned Brazilian rosewood. If I remember correctly, the original back came for a dining table Romanillos came across at an estate auction. It was hard to get guitar wood in England in the 1970s.


Brazilian rosewood is more prone to cracking than Indian rosewood.




Echi -> RE: Several things I am curious about the guitar. (Jul. 4 2018 21:30:28)

Kevin Aram wrote a nice report about Bream’s Romanillos on an American Lutherie.
A Lot of things happened to that guitar, which btw was hardly schellacked when taken by Bream.
If I remember correctly the back was replaced at least twice and the fan bracing was replaced as well as the original struts were too flat and after some years the bridge pulled up the top too much.
It seems that Bream liked more the feeling given to the right hand by the taller struts than the original ones.




sartorius -> RE: Several things I am curious about the guitar. (Jul. 12 2018 9:06:00)

Guitar making is not a science and will never be because there are just too many things or parameters tthat play such an important part, some of which are just not measurable scientifically. That's why it is an art. Try to explain Art with science(s)...




Tom Blackshear -> RE: Several things I am curious about the guitar. (Jul. 12 2018 10:39:49)

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Try to explain Art with science(s)...


Allan Carruth will probably tell you that both are compatible as science indicates and establishes a code of balance with art. It sets certain perimeters in dealing with where to start and stop the process artistically.

Most of my process is essentially done with intuition and careful adjustment based on human interaction with the wood but I allow science to calibrate certain facets on movement toward not going over the mark I have set for good tone.

This is done with several things in mind but the most important is to judge what age does to the tone. And this knowledge basically tells you where to stop the fine tuning and allow age to take over. Science indicates certain areas to be regulated to aid the artistic process.




Echi -> RE: Several things I am curious about the guitar. (Jul. 12 2018 16:01:16)

People like Santos Hernandez, Manuel Reyes, Miguel Rodriguez or Josè Romanillos were not learned people but their guitars still speak on their behalf.
Other fellows like Dammann or Friederich obtained top results with a more te technical approach and that’s good as well.
Whatever the way, the result is the only thing that matters.

Having said this, I really appreciate the good work of people like Alan Carruth or Trevor Gore.




Ricardo -> RE: Several things I am curious about the guitar. (Jul. 12 2018 16:17:28)

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ORIGINAL: sartorius

Guitar making is not a science and will never be because there are just too many things or parameters tthat play such an important part, some of which are just not measurable scientifically. That's why it is an art. Try to explain Art with science(s)...



Well, at least in music, I have discovered that both subjective critic and praise of certain music can be traced back to some technical details. Examples such as swing, phrasing, tone, dynamics etc all are technical and when studied in detail, can be reproduced or altered to taste.




Richard Jernigan -> RE: Several things I am curious about the guitar. (Jul. 12 2018 17:41:34)

Carruth himself says that measurement can distinguish good guitars from bad guitars, but it can not distinguish good guitars from great guitars. Maybe the art lies in that territory between good and great.

A long engineering career and spending a $few hundred million of the taxpayers’ money teaches that careful experiment and comprehensive testing should precede devoting a lot of time or money to something. The great luthiers had a fair amount of experience in the process of becoming great. Some, though not all, profited from good or even great teachers.

RNJ

Yes, it’s a boring post, but I’m sitting in the airport waiting for a delayed flight.....




estebanana -> RE: Several things I am curious about the guitar. (Jul. 13 2018 1:59:17)

The difference between a famous maker and a non famous maker is a very famous guitarist playing the makers guitars.

The difference between a good guitar and great guitar is luck and persistent practice. Steady development of one model over time usually results in mostly good guitars, the occasional unusually great guitar and the occasional dud.

The science comes in to regulate the consistent practice. And to keep track of where the maker has been.

Science or empirical analysis works because it track of data and gives it context for the maker to understand how to change the building process. The same things can be done by trial and error, but you would never know what they mean or why they work.

The zone system in photography is more fit as an analogy to science in guitar making. You are trying to make a working way to reliably changing one aspect of the sound, or 'exposure' - the science gives quantified information, how many grams should the bridge wiegh for good performance in a certain context. That's what defines the 'zone' or sweetspot. Once a maker gets the zones understood almost all the guitars are good.

What makes them great aside from say Julian Bream's blessings......???




Ricardo -> RE: Several things I am curious about the guitar. (Jul. 13 2018 19:55:25)

It’s the strings




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