BarkellWH -> RE: Tangos Argentinos y Flamencos (Apr. 16 2018 19:47:24)
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Us refers to myselef, Juan, and probably Richard and Konstantin, but definitely Juan. :) A lot in common - this refers to the "feel" of experiencing, listening, watching, playing, dancing, performing, and being involved in these arts. They are both very technically driven and demanding to master and to get good at. They are both very "macho" in their approach and competitive. They both have to do with sentiments of nostalgia, pain, suffering, etc. Pelando Variacion is a good example of how tango is evolving and "fast picado" show-off unofficial contests are similar to this spirit of tango. I think if you deeply immerse yourself in tango, you will get more what I am talking about rather than reading about it in books. The experience I have had with both is very similar in most if not all of the components. I'm not a historian or a musicologist, but I know what my gut feels and I trust it when it has a similar intuition about both tango and flamenco. I will let Richard and Konstantin speak for themselves. Nevertheless, I saw nothing in their postings on this thread that indicated to me that either one thought Argentine tango and flamenco (the broad genre we call flamenco, rather than just flamenco tango) had or have a lot in common. As for "sentiments of nostalgia, pain suffering, etc.," there are other genres, most notably, the Blues, that express those same sentiments. Yet, most aficionados of both genres would not suggest that flamenco and the Blues have a lot in common, other than those sentiments. That two genres in the constellation of music share some traits and sentiments is common enough, but one should not make the mistake of concluding that that means they have a "lot in common." They may share sentiments but diverge completely musically. As to your suggestion that I "deeply immerse" myself in tango in order to "get more what [you are] talking about rather than reading about it in books," I can only respond that I have been listening to tango (and other Latin American music) for a good 50 years or so. I do not consider myself an expert, but I long ago developed an appreciation for tango and how it has evolved from the 1920s in Buenos Aires to today. My disagreement concerning your proposition regarding Argentine tango and flamenco is not derived from books as you suggest. It comes from long experience listening to and appreciating both musical forms. Nevertheless, I would not exclude books and other written material if you wish to trace the development of a certain genre such as tango. If you were referring to my praise of Konstantin's study and research regarding the development of Argentine tango from Cuban Habanera and later influences, that is exactly what is needed for a well-grounded history of the genre. History is not written from the "gut." It is written using available material and selectively incorporating it to advance knowledge of the subject. Immersing one's self in a musical genre and researching its historical development are not mutually exclusive. They in fact complement each other. Bill
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