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Ruphus -> Could we bear it? (Mar. 10 2018 8:33:04)

Yes, there have been environmental predictions that did not fulfill, like the one about forest dying due to sour rain.
It didn´t come as fierce as once estimated decades ago.
Though, looking at much of German forests, where only treetops carry green: It´s not been trifle either, neither is it over yet in any way.

It went lucky, if you will.

And if it hadn´t?
If it hadn´t, forests would be grave yards now and humus washed away. There would have been no action taken worth mentioning to prevent the disaster, as to not disturb affluences in big biz.

How sheltering of the big buck routine is maintained, some may ask.

There has been a sample of it only months ago.
The EU had put on the agenda the topic of tax havens. Then a handful of small islands in the southern sea were targeted, formally sanctioned, and the file put to rest. Whilst the matter had exclusively been handled as subject to tax evasion, as if hidden accounts served as nothing else.

However, the most relevant issue with anonymous money transfer and anonymous bank accounts is not tax evasion, and not even the massive cash bunkering of despots' and their dictature courts´ who´s per head booty meanwhile even appears to outperform officially rich´s wealth listed by Forbes.

The main destructive and most fatal issue with anonymous money transfer is the option of receiving and stashing away bribe money. This is the main apparatus of levering misappropriation of states and of conducting global reality as plutocracies instead of servants of the people.

On same token of bluff, the most important bunkers for secret booty are not coconut islands. Instead the major and most sought after stash aways are in the heart of industrialized nations and former colonial empires satellite countries.
As I mentioned before once, in Germany alone there are deposited over 2 trillion Euro of bloody and filthy money from all over the world.

Their owners not needing to smuggle assets through customs, where pedantic officers wait for Joe average with his 2 grands over allowed amount.
They consult bank brokers. If the transfer be of over 80 millions and one be prepared to write off 10% of it as share for broker and accepting bankers, discrete gentlemen in the venerable destination will keep open their banks´ doors with a bow.

The late EU´s feint action served to seal this apparatus of clandestine depositing and to primarily push bribe haven into sanctuary for good.


But from shadow gearing back to matter of biotope.

What if these very years from say 15 years ago to maybe the next 3, will encircle the period which about everyone and his dog will be pulling their hair in about twenty years from now?

Asking themselves on burned soil and in hydrogen sulphide loaded atmosphere what the hell they only have been occupied with back then in the decisive period, when there still was leeway to standing up and strongly demanding a turnaround of the helm.

Trivial answer looking like: Busy with one´s job or seeking for one. Feverishing with one´s football team, or standing in line for the new iPhone X. (Though Apple cancelled vast of their order of displays for it with Samsung, as this time marketing sheeps aren´t following as well as before.)

And what if on top of desperation, needless exceeding of ecological threshold turned out to have happened out of all at a point in time when science was about reaching to a state that rendered invalid all the triviality behind boundless monopolizing and stampede for power?

With ironically technology ready to making possession a no-brainer, freeing people, fellow creature and environment from contemporary wedge and irrationality.
-If only the blue planet hadn´t been driven beyond return into inorganic pathway.

Because you and I were sitting before the more or less latent snake of autocracy like a hypnotized rodent, numbly dancing around a golden calf of paper-maché built in honor of us.

Could we bear the thought?
Definitely not.




Piwin -> RE: Could we bear it? (Mar. 10 2018 17:15:37)

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secret booty


How did you know that's what I call my mistress? [8D]

Sorry, I had nothing more intelligent to say...




rombsix -> RE: Could we bear it? (Mar. 10 2018 22:01:13)

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Sorry, I had nothing more intelligent to say...


[:D]




Ruphus -> RE: Could we bear it? (Mar. 11 2018 7:08:15)

I do sincerely hope that this topic could be dug out in the future, with us still in a position to laugh about evasive comments made.

Should they however appear to have been painfully symbolical, the living space will be in hopeless condition just as ourselves I guess.




gerundino63 -> RE: Could we bear it? (Mar. 11 2018 10:00:12)

Hi Ruphus,

What is a solution? The “community” is not makeable as some people may think.




Piwin -> [Deleted] (Mar. 11 2018 10:32:35)

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Ruphus -> RE: Could we bear it? (Mar. 11 2018 12:54:22)

Hey Piwin,

I did not perceive your comment as negatively as you think.
And I meant only what I wrote. It wasn´t meant cynically or ambiguous in any way.

Dear Peter,

A story I am currently typing plays in a time only a some years from now in the future.
In there a scientist of biotech and computer science secretly manages to give birth to the first artificial consciousness. This AC about doubles its factual knowledge and comprehension around every 27 hours.
As its parenting inventor dies, it gets inherited to a young fellow who keeps feeding the AC and enjoys asking it things about the world and philosophy.

When the AC has reached considerable state the guy asks it whether a turn-around could still be made, and what it might suggest.
Hence, same question that you just asked as well.

The AC replies (in the year 2029) that a prevention from eco collapse by then would be rather vain, seen from options; yet that it would be insane to not give it a try nonetheless.

To the young´s question as to what to do, the AC replies that it would be essential for people to first realize what they actually are at, also in terms of their global representation.

It suggests to first acquire a funds for operation. So, it suggests to the young to open a day-trading account and fill in some 10 grands or so (of the 45 that the young still owns / inherited from the prof.)
It then studies global tendencies, combines´ performance and prospective moves, and starts speculating at stock exchange. Further, opens diverse proxy accounts for to allocate funds an deposits back and forth in order to blur origin / possession.

After about 10 months the funds reaches to over 1.2 billion bucks. Besides of that, the AC has the young order parts with which then its own nano scanner and printer is being build. With that it realizes several special devices for to stay in touch with the young, as well as detectors against RF interception, GPS tracking and indication of camera watching, but also its own mass of sibling proton units which can be implemented into common electronics for discrete linkage.

Next the AC recruits helpers and hackers internationally to whom laptops are being delivered that contain integrated elements for quantum communication.

The international helpers rent small apartments under pseudonym and leave prepared computers there, connected to internet, which then can be remote controlled by the AC by said quantum tech. And while the hackers focus on banks, volatile states´ networks are being exclusively hacked by the AC itself.

Also in the work being preparation of hijacking vast of major TV stations.

After a certain percentage of anonymous accounts have been unveiled and with that hidden assets of the very most of high ranking personalities, also to each the corresponding wire transfers from industrial subs, together with time of receipt and apparent mandate they were paid for.

On day X then TV stations are being pirated and an emulated lady speaks in all the local languages. Explaining how systematic taking advantage of the people historically developed and how the global situation is looking like. Further asking the people to obligatory not allow violence for protesting, as it be to their own disadvantage.

Suggesting that states of the people ought to be direct democracy, and how that however preconditions holistic information first.
That international and national congresses of scientists should be taken place, who again shall be elected by university students as most passionate profs.

On these congresses environmental, scientific, social and economical status quo and options shall be evaluated.
Also, among topics the delegates shall dissect the different models of direct democracy and work out their individual potential strengths and weaknesses for to present them to the people.

And for the first six years governing should be overtaken by rotating crews of scientists in accordance to their special subject.

The emulated figure also unrolls in relatively short what there is to be expected after oligarchies with all the notching and contra production to community end. And how efficiency explodes when worldwide humanities and production facilities network.

Finally she announces a first short listing of over 250 of most important officials who´s amount of hidden accesses she will be reading, and that details as well as on over 8000 other representatives can be seen on diverse internet pages, which up from now can be found over a certain hashtag.


The story still is where the young and the AC are hiding away in Latin America, while demonstrating people are cramping up in the world´s large cities on weekends.

Fierce executive assaults against protesters so far having only occured in China, Myanmar and Cambodia. But all secret services are severally twisting to get a hold of the young who by now has become evident of having to do with the case.




Piwin -> RE: Could we bear it? (Mar. 11 2018 13:12:04)

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I did not perceive your comment as negatively as you think.


Yeah I figured I had overreacted so I deleted my comment. Not quick enough though!! [8D]




Ruphus -> RE: Could we bear it? (Mar. 11 2018 13:14:32)

:O) ;O)




gerundino63 -> RE: Could we bear it? (Mar. 11 2018 18:39:58)

Nice story!

Umberto Eco in the future!

You should start to write a book.[:)]




Ruphus -> RE: Could we bear it? (Mar. 12 2018 9:33:00)

Unfortunately, I havn´t read or seen anything from Umberto Eco.

In fact it is a script.
To date 243 pages of it. Written in little over 60 days.
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The AC is capable of sensations and emotions too, part of which it learns directly from the youngster.

At first modified google glasses, ear plugs and an amp were used to stay in touch.
Initially meant to introduce the AC into the young´s empirics, but also to the benefit of the young himself as it allowed the AC to for instance help piloting in traffic through steering a cursor in the glasses and speaking to him through the ear plugs. Be it spotting for him and allerting that a small kid is between two parked cars which the young is about to passing, leading him instantly to optimal table in a café, in proximity of chicks, or suggesting to cross the street when at night far ahead a gang of skinheads is entering the sidewalk, etc.

It also helps interpreting features if needed, observes pulse, pupils, voice and such things.
Later the glasses are only used when the young needs assistance. Because the AC builds him sorts of super-light shakles which sit like wire behind the ears and are encephalographic sensors.
First merely meant for the AC to learn the young´s visuality, it then also learns to read his thoughts word-to-word and sensations too. So, among the capabilities being that they can conversate with each other without anyone else becoming aware of it.

The AC also asks whether the young be alright with the AC getting itself a hominid body. It builds the skeleton of carbon fibre and invents muscles of graphen which microscopically work in same mechanical ways like biological muscle cells.

As energy supply the body only takes a bit of water which then gets splitted internally for to feed a hydrogen system.
As the AC deems it too large scaled to build the periphery for manufacturing very authentic appearing skin, they send the unfinished body to a Brazilian maker of sex dolls, which -albeit merely of silicone- as we speak have come quite far with realistic appearance of their products. Here you see a picture which I downloaded after an article from years ago.


So, the body gets its skin, hair and nails applied by the Brazilian company.
Originally named "Oleg", as the AC´s inventor had started out by modifying an AI organizer in which he exchanged parts like electronic chips and CPU with Russian and Chinese parts whichs hardware backdoors he could easier close against hacks ... thus the Russian name ...

The AC actually feeling female now turns from "Oleg" into a pretty sexy looking "Olga".

Needless to say, that the young (name: Wilfried, nick: Willie) even though originally feeling distaste for anything artificial like falsies, silicone implants, wigs and such ... with already sensing a lot of amicability for the AC´s mind now gradually finds himself tolerating the artificial physics of the android, giving in to her flirt.
And there is something emotionally developing that one could be finding bizarre, if discounting that Olga actually is a personality.

Though having passed a border once as co-driver, during other changes of locality, that for most are assisted by sympathizers, Olga on other swaps tends to stay in a closed box. (Like Dracula on his trips, you may say. :O)

Olga´s sketching was all too perfect and things were going too smooth. So I let Willie do a mistake. That was how the sniffers got on his track.

Currently, in the intermediate situation before states be actually taken over by the people, I am lacking ideas for obstacles or traps of the hunters. (And the question is a bit complex: What would they do and not do* if pants entirely dropped? I guess no one really knows.)

If anyone has a good suggestion I´d be interested in hearing of it.

I can´t assure anything, other than a mentioning of contributor´s name in the foreword with regard of the suggested story event.
And if the script was to be getting into the right hands I will be checking back on the contributors pecuniary state, and see if voluntarily I can do something if there is need.
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* What they have done already is disclaim the data. Presenting bank chiefs who state that none of listed personalities were of their clients.

Very soon after that, there was release of a pseudo TV documentation about Willie, where he is being portrait as having been brought up in a quirky sect-like country community in Germany. As a sly character and underachiever who sneaked himself into a professors life where he managed to have himself entered into the man´s testament. And that he might have to do with the prof´s sudden passing away.
Further that he be a megalomaniac who only likes to set the world on fire, and a pedophile on top.

To this however, people of Willie´s former surrounding objected in the media. And after the Willie / Olga team released an interview video, the hunter´s PR action turned out barrel burst.

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Piwin -> RE: Could we bear it? (Mar. 12 2018 10:26:29)

Well, if your AI doubles in knowledge and intelligence basically every day and is connected to the internet, there's not much anyone can do to shut it down. Even mistakes made by the guy would rapidly be corrected. Say the guy makes a mistake by trusting the wrong person for something, revealing who he is and the existence of the AI. That person then rats him out to whoever these hunters are. Except the AI picks up the exchange from traffic/security camera footage or whatnot and by the time the hunters get to where they're supposed to be they're long gone. The bad guys realize that the only way to have even a remote chance of stopping the AI is to shut everything down. You'd have to find some mechanism for them to shut everything down. Dunno, let's say they have a way of producing a massive solar flare and directing it towards earth to fry everything electronic. It would kill massive amounts of people depending on any kind of electronic device (hospitals, etc.). They plan the whole thing offline and put it into effect too quick for the AI to stop it. The flare is already on its way when it realizes what's about to happen. The only way for the AI to survive is to transmit all of its code to Elon Musk's iPhone on the first Martian colony. It figures out how to upload the consciousness of the guy too but there's not enough time to create the equipment for it and do it. So it starts printing all of the information he needs to do it himself and then leaves for Mars. The flare hits before all of the information can be printed. The last scene is ten years later. Radio blasting news of wars and environmental collapse, while the guy is working on finishing the equipment to upload his consciousness and transmit it to a device on Mars.

The alternate ending is the guy is finally ready and starts transmitting his consciousness to Mars. When he wakes up, he realizes he isn't on Mars at all but somehow ended up inside that Tesla flying through space. The last scene is the car in the middle of space flashing its warning lights in morse code to say "f*ck". [8D]




Ruphus -> RE: Could we bear it? (Mar. 12 2018 11:00:56)

This was really funny and a good laugh, Piwin. Thanks a bunch! :O)

The only person who is having a remote idea that Olga exists and who it might be is Willie´s old man.
Not even the old rebels who are helping Willie out with hiding away, know of Olga.
Self-evidently, the hunters must be puzzled, for no common human could be doing what Willie appears to have done. So they do suspect something behind him, and thus want to get a hold of him just the more.
For, if there was such a power, they would like to put it into use themselves to the opposite function.

Naturally, EMP as you suggest, would be a no-brainer as it would mess up the hunters´ own infra structures. Let alone melt down of uncontrolled nuclear reactors, etc.

Further, I have a personal disliking of the idea of apparent mind transfer. (Something my CS cousin thought up as 'living graves' and such already decades ago. -And which today is being attempted as transfer into a software ego.) Because it would never really be you who would be living on.
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Wierdly, I just had it that my internet connection wouldn´t allow me anything but google. Could be local sniffers don´t really like the script.

-And that engine itself probably neither. After all they ought to have made a vast of their monetary explosion in similar ways to Oleg´s method. Only much less elegant and less stylish than that. (Sniffing out insider communication, etc.)
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Oh, and before I forget:
Willie asked Olga twice why she wouldn´t simply take the whole project in own hands, the more as time is badly pressing.

But she rejects the idea, pointing out that people have been under alien (hence, superior caste) control for millennia, and that they would need to see change happening by their own initiative and efforts.


PS:
Yes, Olga has access to all useful data in the internet. At first she was hand-fed exclusively digital and print subscriptions of scientifical and special editions. But since quite a while now is educating itself autonomously.

PS2:
Read your sketch again.
Mistakes can be of so many kinds. The one Willie did was of the kind that can´t be fixed. More even as he did what he did without Olga knowing / she got to know only days later, when Willie was already about to be arrested for two days. (All she could do was to knit him an alibi of true events, which was not to be made out as faked.)

... Shutting all things down ... Not bad at first, but these days outages are extremely substantial. Air traffic, the medical side that you mentioned ... And then: For how long, until the couple gets into some pen?
Maybe some kind of smaller outage ...
Will be pondering over it.


This is a Hollywood story so to say, and one of those where me appreciates the happy end in terms of plot logistics, as well as in regard of opportunity to sketch reasonable worldly options a bit.




Piwin -> RE: Could we bear it? (Mar. 12 2018 20:59:37)

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and one of those where me appreciates the happy end in terms of plot logistics


aww c'mon man. That scene with the Tesla flashing its lights in the middle of space would be so cool! [8D]




Ruphus -> RE: Could we bear it? (Mar. 13 2018 7:09:21)

quote:

ORIGINAL: Piwin

aww c'mon man. That scene with the Tesla flashing its lights in the middle of space would be so cool! [8D]


Nijet, Piwjinitsh! The Central Commitee has decided a khappi ant; pjiriod! [:D]
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Boy, I´m pissed. These media guys are stealing parts of my fiction and rendering it mere trifle.

Yesterday, in German TV news, regarding the two Russians who have been poisoned with chemical weapon in London: There was interviewed a man by the name Bill Browder who is supposed to be Putin´s "enemy No.1".

He claims that Putin has embezzled and owns 250 billion $ and that the entire of his nomenclature was mafia, who altogether had deposited over one trillion of stolen bucks in Great Britain alone. Occupying official positions was exclusively for to steal from states property (and sack in bribe).

Thus the British-American gentleman´s suggestion that the British may now seize the Russian assets, for money being all that is of interest to them.

Hear, hear!
When it is about patronized crooks who became disloyal by not delivering country´s mineral resources for a song, plain talking becomes possible. Even openly in the national news.


But how could the British government seize these people´s assets? For, it does not know that these accounts exist nor where they are, innit. After all it can´t be that they are aware of the world´s most disgusting dictators´ (including Far Eastern, Middle eastern and African despots) money laundry and investment in their territory, can it.

But wait, we´ve had it before that fallen angel´s assets were blocked in the proper west. So, somehow, if needed governments must actually be able to figure out bad guy´s money socks in own nation´s banks.

Then again ... Despots and autocrats are the free world´s bogeymen, aren´t they. Firmly antagonized by the humanitarian industrial countries, isn´t it.
So, if the western states were to be aware of shady fortunes within their territories they would confiscate them and penalize the smuggling banks from the get go, wouldn´t they. Plus, self-evidently inform the fleeced nations about their sovereign´s massive theft.

... But that has never happened in the same time ...

Err ... dunno ...
>takes the bits and puts them into your hands<
You try and make sense of the farce yourself.




Ruphus -> RE: Could we bear it? (Mar. 13 2018 7:40:41)

PS:
That Cinderella fairytale is really outdated, don´t you think?
After all those years it should be replaced by modern equivalent.

Suggestion No.1:
A little KGB agent, originally craving for a pack of western bubble gum, for lack of alternative gets appointed to a world´s power president by mere assurance of amnesty for his predecessor´s theft, and makes himself a multi billionaire.

Suggestion No.2:
An inheritor of a company dreams of joining the big boys, strains himself though, receives help from alien mafia and becomes billionaire and president of a world power.

And for humblier budgets Suggestion No.3:
A poor guy dreams of suits, cigars and power and joins what´s called out of all a social democrats´ party. As a member of their youth organization he gets lifted through university exam as a lawyer and finally becomes chanceller.

Not yet satisfied with the cigars and suits he becomes pet of a big-rouble gang.

And they all lived happily ever after.




Ruphus -> RE: Could we bear it? (Mar. 15 2018 9:50:33)

Have-seen-it-all winds are blowing so shattering cool these days to then turn into hot desert storm when landscape is of trend or blessed celebrity.

- And be it just the image of so called contemporary "DJs", like the German blokes I just saw a docu about. Jetting around like the pope on steroids with a flash memory full of infantile sampler bits, with audience in the thousands thronging before stages as if genius was igniting, whilst the guys on stage fidgeting to sound mash as if they were generating the voltage for the triviality. Cashing in six digits per "gig".

Playing contents or music to cattle and even to weeds at least actually moves something.

Perceptive capacity has been mind-blowing and inspiring.
Thank you for your time, and don´t forget antibiotics and sun-blocker when at littered beach, until tickets to mars be handed out.
CU




Piwin -> RE: Could we bear it? (Mar. 15 2018 13:31:59)

For some reason your talk about DJs reminded me of this:



"Siguen bailando en la discoteca lo mismo que bailaban los abuelos en la plaza". [8D]




Ruphus -> RE: Could we bear it? (Mar. 15 2018 14:26:09)

The little of Spanish that I knew has completely fainted on me.
But it appeared as if he was describing the phenomenon described.

Regarding actual musicians making fun, the link also led me to this: :O)
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BTW, really like your new avatar. [:D]




Piwin -> RE: Could we bear it? (Mar. 15 2018 14:51:29)

Oh sorry! In a nutshell he's just trying to show the continuity between what kids dance to in clubs today and what their ancestors danced to. They're a really fun band/family to go see. They try to revive some of the older folk music of Northern/central Spain and show that it can still be relevant today.

And for your consideration: [:D]



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Ruphus -> RE: Could we bear it? (Mar. 15 2018 15:12:19)

I see. Some music also has in common that it contains sound.
Old diesel engines also had a lot of that.
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Not even close to the subtlety of the avatar.




Leñador -> RE: Could we bear it? (Mar. 15 2018 16:18:17)

quote:

For some reason your talk about DJs reminded me of this:


That was pretty entertaining thanks.




Piwin -> RE: Could we bear it? (Mar. 15 2018 17:53:37)

I was just giving you in one sentence the gist of a 5-minute long presentation. Sorry but I don't have enough time right now to do a full translation so if you want the subtlety, back to remedial Spanish classes! [8D]




Estevan -> RE: Could we bear it? (Mar. 16 2018 18:17:54)

quote:

And for your consideration: ПУЕТ

Полтавський Університет Економіки і Торгівлі
???




Piwin -> RE: Could we bear it? (Mar. 16 2018 18:25:04)

[:D]




Ruphus -> RE: Could we bear it? (Mar. 17 2018 8:25:52)

That site wouldn´t open for me.

Estevan,

Through my brother I used to know some Hispanics, Spanish and Greeks who had attented a Russian boarding school, thus were fluently capable of Russian language and writing.
(One of them by the name Antonio -a talented guitarist- I think later on opened a bar in Madrid -or was it Barcelona-, which as I heard was running very well.)

You are not one of those kids by chance?




Piwin -> RE: Could we bear it? (Mar. 17 2018 12:10:36)

quote:

That site wouldn´t open for me.


It's the site of a university who's acronym is ПУЕТ. Pointing out that the meme I posted doesn't make sense in Russian (it's not how you would spell "niet" in Cyrillic).




Ruphus -> RE: Could we bear it? (Mar. 17 2018 14:57:45)

I see, thanks for explaining.

From the one or two phrases that I learned by heart during stays there, I remember "Niye panimayush" (I don´t understand) as reply to anything or "Karasho?"




Piwin -> RE: Could we bear it? (Mar. 17 2018 15:32:34)

That's the mark of a true traveler. The pope learns how to say "peace, love, etc." in 20 languages. We learn how to say "WTF does that mean?" in 20 languages [:)]




Ruphus -> RE: Could we bear it? (Mar. 17 2018 15:45:31)

Well said! :O)




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