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Ricardo -> Un poco de cante, toque, y baile, 1986 (Mar. 8 2018 20:45:12)

Thought I would join the fun off topic flamenco postings... I know 1986 seemed like a long time ago, but this is very fresh sounding.

Cantaor- Marcos Carnicero.... sings very high for a male cantaor.... 8 or 9 por medio? Maybe higher.

Toque - Vicente Vicente.... probably changed his last name just like Vicente Amigo did from Vicente Girol. What is interesting is the falseta at 3:50, seems based on very old style Caña. Also the very ending cierre is cool, I am still working to get the exact tonos.

Percussion - Roberto Roca.... I think he has produced some other recordings and performed with several other artistas... very good soniquete.

Enjoy!
https://youtu.be/p4orXwHdK2Q




kitarist -> RE: Un poco de cante, toque, y baile, 1986 (Mar. 8 2018 23:22:32)

For upper-register male cante, noone beats Roberto Salavado IMO. Here he is in 1979 in a lively number called "el Destripador"; listen to the beginning:

https://youtu.be/VfGClVJh0zk




Dudnote -> RE: Un poco de cante, toque, y baile, 1986 (Mar. 9 2018 6:26:38)

Que duende!! I especially liked the way he fondly places his 68 Ramirez back in its temperature controlled glass display cabinet at the end.

@Kitarist - I heard on the grapevine Roberto's band are touring Europe this year - although I don't know if he's still with them, or if he can still sing fandangos with the capo at 11.




kitarist -> RE: Un poco de cante, toque, y baile, 1986 (Mar. 9 2018 7:17:54)

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ORIGINAL: Dudnote
@Kitarist - I heard on the grapevine Roberto's band are touring Europe this year - although I don't know if he's still with them, or if he can still sing fandangos with the capo at 11.


He is with them still - North American tour starts in like 5 days, and a new album drops today Friday I think. Amazingly he seems to have preserved his vocal range. Skip to 20:25 in this video for a 2017 screaming sample :-) It's tocaor Granja del Valle who's had adverse health news recently and will not be joining the rest on the tour.




Ricardo -> RE: Un poco de cante, toque, y baile, 1986 (Mar. 9 2018 12:15:49)

The true test of the cantores as they become viejos is to maintain their tonos on stage. It just gets harder and harder as the body ages. I am often saddend when I see my favorites going down.

One of my all time favorite tocaores Pablo Gilberto, reunited his old cuadrao from the 80s only 10 years ago. His cantaor sr. Martins is not only a great “Salavadero”, but also close compadres with Roberto himself, so much so that Roberto gifted Sr. Martin and Pablo Gilberto his own cancion “Corazon del Leon” for their recording in 1987 of “Calor Segundo”.

Anyway, this live performance of “...por La noche” really shows Sr. Martins with garganta fuerte, and muy muy “Salavadero”...

https://youtu.be/HiMdSadkR7w


....oh forgot to point out, both Pablo Gilberto Grupo and Roberto’s grupo have been using the SAME percussionista....which made things tricky for anything more than a brief Reunion of course.




kitarist -> RE: Un poco de cante, toque, y baile, 1986 (Mar. 9 2018 16:36:17)

Now I am puzzled what 'salavadero" is in your version. Sound similar to Salavado that I used but my "people naming convention" was just to translate the names to Spanish based on what their etymology was. In my case "Salavado" = Hallford because Hallford pointed to "hall of the ford" and then the two words hall and ford translated. Similarly, Glenn pointed to "valley" and Tipton to "Tibba's tun" where tun = farm/home. So "farm in/on the valley" translated to Granja del Valle :-)

Sorry for breaking the fourth wall.




Ricardo -> RE: Un poco de cante, toque, y baile, 1986 (Mar. 9 2018 17:05:31)

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ORIGINAL: kitarist

Now I am puzzled what 'salavadero" is in your version. Sound similar to Salavado that I used but my "people naming convention" was just to translate the names to Spanish based on what their etymology was. In my case "Salavado" = Hallford because Hallford pointed to "hall of the ford" and then the two words hall and ford translated. Similarly, Glenn pointed to "valley" and Tipton to "Tibba's tun" where tun = farm/home. So "farm in/on the valley" translated to Granja del Valle :-)

Sorry for breaking the fourth wall.

When a cantor is imitated, the copyists are referred to collectively by the Artistc name of the maestro followed by “ero” or “ista” meaning one who doing the job of or likeness of said artist. For example those who copy caracol, Camaron, or even PDL are called “Caracoleros”, “Camaroneros”, or “Paqueros”... etc. Of course some artists don’t like that distinction unless they are deliberately imitating.




kitarist -> RE: Un poco de cante, toque, y baile, 1986 (Mar. 9 2018 17:31:18)

[:D] should have thought of that..




Leñador -> RE: Un poco de cante, toque, y baile, 1986 (Mar. 9 2018 23:32:49)

Well this was not what I expected lol
I think my vote will always be with Roberto Salavado, Mujer de Whisky and Agresor Disidente are classics.




kitarist -> Whaaaat?!?!!? (Apr. 26 2018 6:03:08)

Whaaaat?!?!!?

https://www.rollingstone.com/music/news/judas-priest-deep-purple-team-for-north-american-tour-w519443

"Judas Priest and Deep Purple will unite for a co-headlining North American tour. The 25-date trek launches August 21st in Cincinnati and concludes September 30th in Wheatland, California. " !!!!!



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Ricardo -> RE: Whaaaat?!?!!? (Apr. 27 2018 13:36:22)

This style of cante is almost extinct! Can’t miss this!




Ricardo -> RE: Whaaaat?!?!!? (Apr. 27 2018 13:50:46)

“Corazon de Leon”

Roberto Salavado

https://youtu.be/s3aDBaXF68g

Vs Sr. Martin con Pablo Gilberto (un tono abajo)

https://youtu.be/XJzJjcKOdVQ

Same percussionista?




Estevan -> RE: Whaaaat?!?!!? (Apr. 27 2018 15:07:48)

Interesting stuff, those high voices that are popular in eastern Andalucía, sometimes a bit reminiscent of opera flamenca.

More from the western area, and illustrating what the scholar Allen Josephs calls the Andalusian "culture of death", here's some material that didn't make it into the Encuentro series because their regular cameraman suddenly took off with their equipment; a basic tutorial on cante y toque jondo, presented by Guillermo de la Muralla:

https://youtu.be/DqD6HCMnDwI?t=224




Sr. Martins -> RE: Un poco de cante, toque, y baile, 1986 (Apr. 27 2018 18:27:48)

quote:

Anyway, this live performance of “...por La noche” really shows Sr. Martins with garganta fuerte, and muy muy “Salavadero”...


I never thought my gay porn days would reach overseas.

By the way, you posted the wrong link, I'll correct it in a sec.




kitarist -> RE: Un poco de cante, toque, y baile, 1986 (Nov. 1 2018 15:57:58)

I just discovered that Valle del Fuego (*) is perhaps in the greatest shape vocally - his voice seems to have been preserved completely - with the same range and power as it was in the 1970s. Check out this from his current touring performing classic Deep Purple: (use this link to jump to 35:22 for an example: https://youtu.be/_jJGiVbrKys?t=2122 but listen for 30 seconds or so, not just for the first few)




(*) Glenn - from Gaelic - valley; Hughes - from Welsh Hu/Huw - fire.




Ricardo -> RE: Un poco de cante, toque, y baile, 1986 (Nov. 5 2018 1:29:57)

quote:

ORIGINAL: kitarist

I just discovered that Valle del Fuego (*) is perhaps in the greatest shape vocally - his voice seems to have been preserved completely - with the same range and power as it was in the 1970s. Check out this from his current touring performing classic Deep Purple: (use this link to jump to 35:22 for an example: https://youtu.be/_jJGiVbrKys?t=2122 but listen for 30 seconds or so, not just for the first few)




(*) Glenn - from Gaelic - valley; Hughes - from Welsh Hu/Huw - fire.

Oh hell yeah, Valle del Fuego has still got the quejio and tono and everything. My new (old) favorite discovery of the moment is Miguel Quiz-Que....formally and still currently cantaor for Infierno-Ouin. “La Marcha del Tiempo”, por ejemplo, he lost the pelo, but kept the garganta in amazing shape...still touring today like this!



And making new songs in same “estilo antiguo”, but still fresh. Like this “Excepcional”....


Oh heck una mas cancion nueva , it’s so good...”Ha llegado tu hora”





JasonM -> RE: Un poco de cante, toque, y baile, 1986 (Nov. 7 2018 1:17:41)

Soniquete! Viva flamenca

https://youtu.be/UphLEKqds3k




Dudnote -> RE: Un poco de cante, toque, y baile, 1986 (Nov. 7 2018 12:51:55)

Olee!! El guardián de las siete llaves vive!!! Es si bueno!!




Dudnote -> RE: Un poco de cante, toque, y baile, 1986 (Nov. 9 2018 14:02:28)

Una verdadera sorpresa al ver este álbum (¿final?) De un alma con problemas - Paublo de Ana.





Ricardo -> RE: Un poco de cante, toque, y baile, 1986 (Nov. 10 2018 16:01:38)

Cool stuff!

Sr. Martins has new band, since Pablo Gilberto refuses to reform Racer-x, pretty cool also:





Ricardo -> RE: Un poco de cante, toque, y baile, 1986 (Nov. 10 2018 20:10:25)

Also I never knew this “three tremors” thing actually happened some years back... guess it was just this one song:





kitarist -> RE: Un poco de cante, toque, y baile, 1986 (Nov. 10 2018 23:38:13)

In a similar vein - here's Bruce Dickinson and Glenn Hughes singing Burn, at the concert celebrating Jon Lord in 2014 at Royal Albert Hall. They take turns with the couplets.



They also sing "You Keep on Moving" together (which is actually the song before Burn in the set):





JasonM -> RE: Un poco de cante, toque, y baile, 1986 (Nov. 12 2018 20:08:59)

Been listening to Unisonic’s live at Wacken. Excellent album.




Ricardo -> RE: Un poco de cante, toque, y baile, 1986 (Nov. 13 2018 1:42:15)

quote:

ORIGINAL: kitarist

In a similar vein - here's Bruce Dickinson and Glenn Hughes singing Burn, at the concert celebrating Jon Lord in 2014 at Royal Albert Hall. They take turns with the couplets.



They also sing "You Keep on Moving" together (which is actually the song before Burn in the set):



Great stuff!




JasonM -> RE: Un poco de cante, toque, y baile, 1986 (Nov. 13 2018 22:22:49)

Is it possible to train your vocals to get as high as Glen Hughs or is it mostly an inherited gitano skill. Because I would love to be able to do that.




Ricardo -> RE: Un poco de cante, toque, y baile, 1986 (Nov. 14 2018 11:47:25)

quote:

ORIGINAL: JasonM

Is it possible to train your vocals to get as high as Glen Hughs or is it mostly an inherited gitano skill. Because I would love to be able to do that.

Yes. My eyes opened to it recently, and i’ve been seriously working on it thanks to this guy:







JasonM -> RE: Un poco de cante, toque, y baile, 1986 (Nov. 14 2018 15:21:30)

Oh awesome. My dog was flipping out with the Mamma Mia’s. He says keep it to the car lol. This guy has some great vids and is very encouraging!




Ricardo -> RE: Un poco de cante, toque, y baile, 1986 (Feb. 7 2019 13:04:17)

quote:

ORIGINAL: Ricardo

Thought I would join the fun off topic flamenco postings... I know 1986 seemed like a long time ago, but this is very fresh sounding.

Cantaor- Marcos Carnicero.... sings very high for a male cantaor.... 8 or 9 por medio? Maybe higher.

Toque - Vicente Vicente.... probably changed his last name just like Vicente Amigo did from Vicente Girol. What is interesting is the falseta at 3:50, seems based on very old style Caña. Also the very ending cierre is cool, I am still working to get the exact tonos.

Percussion - Roberto Roca.... I think he has produced some other recordings and performed with several other artistas... very good soniquete.

Enjoy!
https://youtu.be/p4orXwHdK2Q


Just found out mark slaughter was not the actual studio vocalist on that album, it was Robert Fleischman:


And here is a heartfelt reunion after years of hiding out, the gender bending Vicente came out last year, 14:00 till end:




Ricardo -> RE: Un poco de cante, toque, y baile, 1986 (May 13 2019 11:16:41)

quote:

ORIGINAL: kitarist

For upper-register male cante, noone beats Roberto Salavado IMO. Here he is in 1979 in a lively number called "el Destripador"; listen to the beginning:

https://youtu.be/VfGClVJh0zk


Bumped into cantaor Sr. Roberto Salavado last night, and also got the John Hancock from the percusionista who also puts the soniquete on my favorite metal album:







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kitarist -> RE: Un poco de cante, toque, y baile, 1986 (May 13 2019 17:22:05)

Wow, NICE!!




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