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Ricardo -> Paco falseta tutorial 4 (Feb. 25 2018 20:05:56)

This year I compared and contrast a trad falseta with a more modern one. Enjoy!




Leñador -> RE: Paco falseta tutorial 4 (Feb. 26 2018 0:47:50)

Awesome I love these tutorials! I haven’t learned one all the way through yet but have taken pieces from all of them. Thanks Ricardo!



jalalkun -> RE: Paco falseta tutorial 4 (Feb. 26 2018 11:49:49)

this is awesome. I've seen these on youtube before finding this forum. I think the first falseta of this video won't be too difficult for me. thank you loads ricardo [:D]



joselito_fletan -> RE: Paco falseta tutorial 4 (Feb. 26 2018 14:23:47)

EFFEN Gold! Really enjoyed this having my morning coffee.

Thank you Sir :o)



JasonM -> RE: Paco falseta tutorial 4 (Feb. 26 2018 14:48:21)

Nice! I was looking forward to this years tutorial. The Compadres falseta Is really cool. Never would have figured out what was going on with the Compás if I had tried it on my own.



Ricardo -> RE: Paco falseta tutorial 4 (Feb. 27 2018 11:48:24)

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ORIGINAL: JasonM

Nice! I was looking forward to this years tutorial. The Compadres falseta Is really cool. Never would have figured out what was going on with the Compás if I had tried it on my own.


I Realized after watching it I kept saying the second falseta ends on count 8. Both the second falseta and the tag pulgar falseta end on 7 I realized, with a golpe on 8....so I feel the resolution the same way it’s just that like other things happening with the modern compas, the intended beat is lead into early. I should always take the time to count the stuff out! [:D]



JasonM -> RE: Paco falseta tutorial 4 (Mar. 1 2018 15:33:10)

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I should always take the time to count the stuff out!


Stop counting! [:D]



Ricardo -> RE: Paco falseta tutorial 4 (Nov. 6 2020 4:28:44)

So I know this was quite a while ago, but at 40:40 I talk about the section of the falseta that uses an interesting progression. F-Eb-Db-C-Bb....and questioned if it was Manolo’s idea:
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ORIGINAL: Ricardo




Here is the same progression Manolo used on Tauromagia at 4:36:



But shame on me for not recognizing it from McLaughlin’s composition here at 5:36:



Honestly the chords are not simple triads like Paco was using. They are Fmaj7-F7-Abmaj9/C-Db-Gbmj9/Bb-C-G/B....The Ab chord voicing on guitar is spelled C-Ab-Bb-Eb-G...and the Gb chord is Bb-Gb-Ab-Db-F....so my guess is Paco stole this by ear and heard the upper structure of those two chords as triads. I made the same mistake myself long ago learning this tune where the piano is prominent. Then I saw this video so I saw the guitar voicings are typical Mclaughlin voicings and it slipped my mind that these chords match what Paco and Manolo were doing. Paco just changed the G/B to Bb and the melody is on D so he recognized the Bb chord ending as a way to function in Buleria.

So modern flamenco IS jazz I guess?[:D]



devilhand -> RE: Paco falseta tutorial 4 (Nov. 11 2020 20:02:47)

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So modern flamenco IS jazz I guess?

I would say flamenco jazz is the precursor of modern flamenco.



Ricardo -> RE: Paco falseta tutorial 4 (Nov. 11 2020 20:24:31)

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ORIGINAL: devilhand

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So modern flamenco IS jazz I guess?

I would say flamenco jazz is the precursor of modern flamenco.


I get what you mean, from the other topic mainly, but honestly you have to make sure to use specifics because you have some very modern approaches such as by Manolo Sanlucar and others, that avoid the “Jazz” influences altogether yet cannot not be considered “old school, traditionional or antiguo” flamenco. It so happens this ONE specific chord move comes specifically from Mclaughlin, and the piece itself a bit removed from “jazz” proper. So Paco pulled it or learned it, and showed it to Manolo who also found an application for it. But few aficionados classify Manolo as “jazzy” flamenco.



mark indigo -> RE: Paco falseta tutorial 4 (Nov. 12 2020 13:32:37)

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I would say flamenco jazz is the precursor of modern flamenco.


again, a gross over-simplification. As Ricardo points out there are very modern approaches that owe nothing to Jazz. Also there are many other influences having different effects at different times. Ramon Montoya not only recorded with saxophone but was close friends with Miguel Llobet, and was credited with developing arpegio and tremolo techniques as a result. So you can look at jazz influences AND classical influences. If you watch the Rito episode with Pepe Martinez he plays a Brazilian piece, and Sabicas recorded numerous Classical and Latin American pieces. Spain was relatively closed under Franco, and in the seventies all kinds of outside influences trickling in became a flood. Musicians who learned by ear soaking music up like sponges would need to make a concerted effort NOT to absorb whatever influences they are exposed to, jazz, classical, pop, rock, whatever.



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