bobbywest87 -> If you could pick just one technique from a different guitar style to add to Flamenco... (Feb. 12 2018 17:08:11)
Which technique would you choose to add?
Sacrilegious flamenco beliefs aside, I think the "nail attack" technique lends itself very well to the flamenco sound: it's percussive, but uses the strings as its drum. The benefit of this technique is that in addition to a percussive sound, it also produces the pitch of whatever note is being played which lends itself a unique "punchy" sound. The technique is not too difficult to learn, and actually fits in very well with the traditional Flamenco sound and hand-position despite originating on a steel-string guitar. Basically you are hitting the strings with the top of your m and a fingernails (top meaning the the pink part of the nail, not the white) in a sort of jolted motion.
Ricardo -> RE: If you could pick just one technique from a different guitar style to add to Flamenco... (Feb. 12 2018 17:44:23)
Well this is like a combo of “tambour” and basic rasgueado with the unused fingers....tambour gets the bassy thud near the bridge, Sabicas and others have used this, but typically with the thumb not the nails of the fingers, and the rasgueado that doesn’t follow through is used, but the “thud” is avoided by not playing so near the bridge.....the reason is we want a rounder sound for rasgueados, that type of thing near the bridge sounds pretty weak. Rhythmically speaking the type of thing your steel stringers are doing is similar to R. Montoya hear at :50 and throughout the piece:
It only sounds different because he is not targeting small groups of strings near the bridge like your steel players are doing, however it is basically the same technique musically.
bobbywest87 -> RE: If you could pick just one technique from a different guitar style to add to Flamenco... (Feb. 12 2018 17:59:20)
Thanks Ricardo,
Montoya sounds like he is doing a strum vs a solid hit, but I do understand what you are saying. Montoya and Oshio (from the first video I posted) both appear to use this as a way to keep the beat like a drum - though you could probably speak more to that than I could since you play drums. For lack of a better term, it's almost like filler notes.
If you happen to know what Sabicas songs use this technique, I would love to know since I'm not as familiar with his music.
Piwin -> RE: If you could pick just one technique from a different guitar style to add to Flamenco... (Feb. 12 2018 18:05:02)
The Pete Townshend windmill. Obviously.
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Leñador -> RE: If you could pick just one technique from a different guitar style to add to Flamenco... (Feb. 12 2018 18:41:57)
Divebombs!!!! [:D] \m/
Piwin -> RE: If you could pick just one technique from a different guitar style to add to Flamenco... (Feb. 12 2018 19:25:33)
lol When you get that Lester Devoe of yours, I dare you to put a whammy bar on it. [:D]
Leñador -> RE: If you could pick just one technique from a different guitar style to add to Flamenco... (Feb. 12 2018 19:32:33)
Oh yeah, it’s gunna have a Floyd rose with locking nut and two active humbuckers! [:D]
bobbywest87 -> RE: If you could pick just one technique from a different guitar style to add to Flamenco... (Feb. 12 2018 20:29:03)
^^^ Mr. Eddie Van Halen up here.
I wonder what two-handed tapping or thumb-nail pick-scrapes would sound like on nylon strings. My thumb-nail hurts just thinking about it.
Ricardo -> RE: If you could pick just one technique from a different guitar style to add to Flamenco... (Feb. 12 2018 20:48:36)
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ORIGINAL: bobbywest87
^^^ Mr. Eddie Van Halen up here.
I wonder what two-handed tapping or thumb-nail pick-scrapes would sound like on nylon strings. My thumb-nail hurts just thinking about it.
You wonder....really???
bobbywest87 -> RE: If you could pick just one technique from a different guitar style to add to Flamenco... (Feb. 12 2018 21:07:54)
Ahh yes, how could I have forgotten Spanish Fly? First time I heard that song I couldn't believe anyone could play that fast on the acoustic guitar (note this was about 14 years ago, and I've only just started studying flamenco a little over two years ago).
I like to imagine Eddie playing that first part using picado, but most certainly it's just a pick. Otherwise, Eddie is the best kept secret picado-expert on the planet.
Sr. Martins -> RE: If you could pick just one technique from a different guitar style to add to Flamenco... (Feb. 12 2018 21:28:21)
Not really a technique but I would add a coil split to flamenco guitars.
It would allow switching between a robust negra sound and a jangly blanca.
At least with electrics it works pretty well for a LP/Strat sound. I guess the mechanical solution on a flamenco guitar would be having a device that would switch the action between 3.5mm and 1.5mm for immediate effect [:D]
Harry -> RE: If you could pick just one technique from a different guitar style to add to Flamenco... (Feb. 13 2018 14:24:25)
A Wes Montgomery style octave approach played with the skin of the thumb not the nail. I am pretty sure this technique would already have been explored by someone.
SephardRick -> RE: If you could pick just one technique from a different guitar style to add to Flamenco... (Feb. 13 2018 21:56:23)
...and then there is the "Duct Tape" technique.
It's been the rage for years on NW US Coast...It's fairly applicable for flamenco too.
As Kurt Cobain would demonstrate. Taking his left hand. Throw his guitar up in the air. Let it fall onto the stage and feedback while walking off stage.
Here is where the "Duct Tape" technique comes in. Kurt would duct tape loose part and structure on the guitar; Tune up; Ready for the next gig.
I wouldn't mind seeing the "Duct Tape" technique done with a few so called factory made "Flamenco" guitars.
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Dudnote -> RE: If you could pick just one technique from a different guitar style to add to Flamenco... (Feb. 14 2018 6:05:40)
Haha - I was gonna say that too. Will have to settle for burning and smashing. Could work really good in martinetes, especially when used with Tom Araya style jaleo.
Makes me wonder if they (or anyone else) ever did Raining Blood in Spanish? And which palo would you use for that anyway?
RobF -> RE: If you could pick just one technique from a different guitar style to add to Flamenco... (Feb. 15 2018 16:06:30)
The Pete Townsend windmill should only be used by players who have perfected the Chuck Berry duckwalk first, IMO, out of respect for tradition. [:D]
Morante -> RE: If you could pick just one technique from a different guitar style to add to Flamenco... (Feb. 15 2018 17:38:08)
What about cante? It could really revolutionise all that mindless twiddling[;)]
bobbywest87 -> RE: If you could pick just one technique from a different guitar style to add to Flamenco... (Feb. 16 2018 12:21:14)
I'm probably going to get bashed for this one, but I think compás would be a good technique to add to many flamenco player's repertoires.
Leñador -> RE: If you could pick just one technique from a different guitar style to add to Flamenco... (Feb. 16 2018 17:59:41)
I would argue if they don’t have compas they are not flamenco players.
devilhand -> RE: If you could pick just one technique from a different guitar style to add to Flamenco... (Nov. 30 2021 22:11:24)
I would add Tommy Emmanuell's artificial harmonic technique.
