Ricardo -> RE: Manuel Torre solea questions (Oct. 10 2017 12:37:50)
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This topic has been discussed a lot in the past. THis type of singing is NOT out of compas, and yes it is at the guitarist discression to cut or maintain 12. It seems it used to be considered fine to cut compas por solea or buleria por solea and buleria all for the same exact reasons regarding these types of letras. However, it was due to the unique style of N. Ricardo and Melchor de Marchena and M. Morao (and others of their generation) which codified the trend to maintain 12 count at all cost with the first two, but allow cutting of buleria, in case of Morao to ALWAYS cut the compas anyway as for as RECORDINGS went at least. These recordings were influential to the point "in or out" of compas guitar and voice became important adjectives. Examples are numerous in our cante accompaniment thread (see page 10 for my versions of Moneo's cante), and my examples of the first buleria track where I accomp. The same buleria cante both cuadrao and with half compases all over the place, to show it's about the discression of the guitarist. Finally a fantastic unique example of how to deal with cante that doesn't lie square on the track is the recent Agujetas and David Serva example where he sticks the 12 count formula however deals with the cambios in a unique manner. Of modern players only Carrion have I notice cutting compas por solea as did borrul montoya and others back in the golden age. I would like to say describing the cante as being "out of compas" in many of these cases does a disservice to the art of both cante and accompaniment, since the modern era of "in compas" singers are nothing more than evolved, through a process of artificial selection via the baile influence, to the present-bland-square-perfectly-in-the-box-boring- style cante that is wrongly believed to be the only proper way to sing in compas.
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