estebanana -> David Serva and Bill Burgess playing solo (Sep. 25 2017 4:01:56)
I set this up so my guitars could be shown, but I also wanted to make a document with good sound of two friends I have not been able to spend enough time time with.
David comes to California every summer from Madrid to visit his family and teach. I used to take summer lessons with David and I sent a good deal of time with him in Spain too. Bill is a also a very accomplished guitarist and a long time student of David's. Bill also studied for a coupe years with Parilla. He plays in cuadro frequently around the Bay Area with the top dancers and singers.
My friend Jeff Kao is a film maker and he was kind enough to go over to David's house and make a recording of Bill and David for me to hear how they are playing, get some good feedback on how my instruments are doing, and have a nice piece of history of my biddies to keep me company whilst in Japan until next summer when I can get back for a few weeks. Davis is playing a guitar I built in 2014, originally not for him, but he grabbed it and plays it all the time. Coming from a guy with Faustino's, Arcangel's and Gerundino's I am pretty happy that he genuinely loves that guitar. Bill owns the 2016 Spruce. The Cedar top is on the market.
So I hope you enjoy this and see it as a music experience. It's obviously in my best interest to include my own instruments, but David and Bill are sharing here for free so enjoy.
Foro member 'Juan the Bomb', Juan Carlos Moreno did the honors on editing and titles. Big round of applause for the group effort.
Morante -> RE: David Serva and Bill Burgess playing solo (Sep. 25 2017 16:11:53)
David is a fenomono. I remember a little juerga where he played for José Millán for 2 hours, although they had never met before.
When it ended, David said, you are an encyclopedia de cante. José reponded, you are the first tocaor who knew how to accompany all of my cante.
Pity that this kind of reunion in Cádiz is only for the memory; flamenco de verdad is dying.
Stu -> RE: David Serva and Bill Burgess playing solo (Sep. 25 2017 16:14:15)
Cool, unfortunately I'm at work. So cannot watch that right now as I may disrupt filming. I'll check it on my way home. Thanks for sharing. I hung out with David Serva one night Jerez, staggering from bar to bar with him and Norman Kliman and Henry from the foro. Memorable night, good stories. Lovely chap.
Leñador -> RE: David Serva and Bill Burgess playing solo (Sep. 25 2017 16:48:55)
Very cool! Nearly missed this in the fog of banned books thread. I love Davids toque!
Ricardo -> RE: David Serva and Bill Burgess playing solo (Sep. 26 2017 0:08:46)
Very nice! I want to point out the second piece is not granaina...it is at best a Minera, but functions better as a sort of free style intro for Alegrias or something in E major.
FredGuitarraOle -> RE: David Serva and Bill Burgess playing solo (Sep. 26 2017 0:57:31)
The guitars sound great Stephen! I'm going to Madrid next week to have lessons with David, can't wait to meet him!
estebanana -> RE: David Serva and Bill Burgess playing solo (Sep. 26 2017 1:38:01)
Ok thanks. Are you seeing David on my recommendation? Tell him hello for me.
FredGuitarraOle -> RE: David Serva and Bill Burgess playing solo (Sep. 26 2017 2:03:12)
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Are you seeing David on my recommendation? Tell him hello for me.
Yes I am. Will do.
estebanana -> RE: David Serva and Bill Burgess playing solo (Sep. 26 2017 2:23:50)
Thanks Ricardo, I was not able to review the raw footage before it was titled. I will make a notation in the YouTube description.
estebanana -> RE: David Serva and Bill Burgess playing solo (Sep. 29 2017 8:00:44)
This video is a freebie Solea falseta lesson. It's slow enough that many should be able to grab it.
He lives between Madrid and Jerez throughout the year and comes to California for four or five weeks in late summer. He has lots of beautiful music to teach.
estebanana -> RE: David Serva and Bill Burgess playing solo (Sep. 29 2017 8:07:31)
Here's an old one from Spanish TV when David was Agujetas' accompanist for several years. Just cut in at 2"00 minutes to get to the music.
estebanana -> RE: David Serva and Bill Burgess playing solo (Sep. 29 2017 8:18:54)
If you are interested in solea accompaniment this is great stuff.
mark indigo -> RE: David Serva and Bill Burgess playing solo (Sep. 29 2017 12:12:16)
thanks for the vids.
just watched through the agujetas vids again. been a while. funny how my perception/appreciation changes over time.
i just posted the solea and bulerias-por-solea as examples of same guitarist and singer interpreting the two forms both por medio in the "what's the difference between solea" thread.
tele -> RE: David Serva and Bill Burgess playing solo (Oct. 6 2017 17:53:38)
where we can view the full David Serva documentary? A mesmerizing solea with unique ideas, really great stuff, thanks for posting
Leñador -> RE: David Serva and Bill Burgess playing solo (Oct. 6 2017 21:33:19)
You can rent it on youtube.
Used to be on Netflix, that's where I saw it. Good stuff!
mark indigo -> RE: David Serva and Bill Burgess playing solo (Nov. 21 2017 18:05:01)
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You can rent it on youtube. Used to be on Netflix, that's where I saw it. Good stuff!
I just watched the film.
I bought it from Amazon for about £10.
Comes in a case with the DVD and an audio CD of David, some with cante and some solo.
I'm intrigued by the "Rondeña" which sounds like it's played in Eb standard tuning.
estebanana -> RE: David Serva and Bill Burgess playing solo (Nov. 21 2017 20:02:07)
remind me to tell the story of thar Ebthing when i have time, if I forget.
mark indigo -> RE: David Serva and Bill Burgess playing solo (Nov. 24 2017 17:42:04)
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remind me to tell the story of thar Ebthing when i have time, if I forget.
¡por favour!
estebanana -> RE: David Serva and Bill Burgess playing solo (Nov. 25 2017 0:43:30)
In 2000 I was at a bar wit David in Sevilla and he was noodling around with that E flat thing while we were having a beer.- Carlos Heredia walk over motioned for David to hand him the guitar and then played a few up to date versions of how that thing goes. Next Carlos handed the guitar and David's ass back to him, with a nod. Then Carlos walked off.
I said by the way what is that palo? He said it's nothing, it not a palo, it's this E flat thing I came up with around 1972 or so and I showed it to all the gypsies in Madrid then. It got passed around and now it's this thing....He was kind of semi miffed and pissy with Carlos but at the same time kind of amused. David often used to play that thing in solo concerts. He has taught it to a few students and others picked it up off the street.
Dudnote -> RE: David Serva and Bill Burgess playing solo (Nov. 25 2017 6:15:58)
Pretty funny and interesting. I never heard of it, do you know if it ever get recorded (by anyone)?
Piwin -> RE: David Serva and Bill Burgess playing solo (Nov. 25 2017 11:02:20)
Think El Viejin's SpB "Cano Roto" or Gerardo Nunez's bulerias "Jucal".
estebanana -> RE: David Serva and Bill Burgess playing solo (Nov. 25 2017 14:04:53)
There could exist a bootleg of David or maybe someones lesson tape. I've seen him play it in concerts in living rooms, but it's not recorded on his solo CD made on his early 90's solo recoding.
He also used to play a solo Cartegeneras once in a while. I asked him why. He said, "because nobody plays it". It was obviously a dumb question. He's also been know to throw some Bach into his solo program.
Piwin -> RE: David Serva and Bill Burgess playing solo (Nov. 25 2017 15:18:20)
Oh so it's an actual piece? I thought you were saying he came up with the idea of playing in Eflat/Dsharp phr. Pretty common now in Madrid, especially por bulerias.
mark indigo -> RE: David Serva and Bill Burgess playing solo (Nov. 25 2017 16:29:32)
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In 2000 I was at a bar wit David in Sevilla and he was noodling around with that E flat thing while we were having a beer.- ......
I said by the way what is that palo? He said it's nothing, it not a palo, it's this E flat thing I came up with around 1972 or so and I showed it to all the gypsies in Madrid then. It got passed around and now it's this thing....
a vague memory is dribbling into my consciousness that someone has posted something about this before.... that David was trying to find a way to play Rondeña (toque) in standard tuning. And he then showed it to Felipe Maya who showed it to everyone else.... was that you that posted that or someone else or did I imagine it?
mark indigo -> RE: David Serva and Bill Burgess playing solo (Nov. 25 2017 16:35:19)
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Pretty funny and interesting. I never heard of it, do you know if it ever get recorded (by anyone)?
er.... yes, by David Serva.... it's called "Rondeña.... and it's on the audio CD that comes with the DVD of the "Gypsy Davy" film.... that I bought recently from Amazon for about a tenner.... [8|][:D][:D]
mark indigo -> RE: David Serva and Bill Burgess playing solo (Nov. 25 2017 16:39:16)
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Oh so it's an actual piece? I thought you were saying he came up with the idea of playing in Eflat/Dsharp phr.
yeah, I think both!
estebanana -> RE: David Serva and Bill Burgess playing solo (Nov. 25 2017 22:50:02)
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a vague memory is dribbling into my consciousness that someone has posted something about this before.... that David was trying to find a way to play Rondeña (toque) in standard tuning. And he then showed it to Felipe Maya who showed it to everyone else.... was that you that posted that or someone else or did I imagine it?
If it was me then I had forgotten it. He showed a lot of things to Felipe- The played togehter at la Corral for along time and they played Davids Alegria silencio. David talked to him several years after he left and Felipe said they still played it.
Ricardo -> RE: David Serva and Bill Burgess playing solo (Nov. 26 2017 18:17:37)
This is the earliest recorded example I know of, but not sure the exact date here. I say late 70's early 80's. If Serva had his in 72, then we have to take his word for it. I have a recording of Serva's piece I will try to upload it (I would call it Rondeña libre). Was thinking it was recorded in the 80's as well however(never mind it was recorded in 2002!!!)
mark indigo -> RE: David Serva and Bill Burgess playing solo (Nov. 26 2017 19:52:26)
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I have a recording of Serva's piece I will try to upload it (I would call it Rondeña libre). Was thinking it was recorded in the 80's as well however(never mind it was recorded in 2002!!!)
I wonder if it's the same as the one I have on the CD that came with the DVD....?
Ricardo -> RE: David Serva and Bill Burgess playing solo (Nov. 26 2017 21:32:32)
Here it is....
If somebody (estebanana?) can get a title for this I will edit the video title to reflect the composition name.
Interesting to note he goes into 3/4 at the end similar to Paco de Lucia's Rondeñas from the 70's.
