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mrstwinkle -> What is this technique? (Manuel Valencia ) (Jun. 26 2017 14:22:24)

Approx 19 to 23 seconds in. I've been trying, unsuccessfuly, to recreate it. Can someone explain what his fingers are doing, or point me to a breakdown of the technique. Sort of an index downflick with a 2 finger tremolo type thing? Or am i completely getting the wrong idea?




Piwin -> RE: What is this technique? (Manuel Valencia ) (Jun. 26 2017 15:03:00)

ai-i rasgueado?



estebanana -> RE: What is this technique? (Manuel Valencia ) (Jun. 26 2017 15:20:07)

It's more of a ami down, i down, , ami up - repeat - or something like that. Maybe throw a pinky in there too.

Or ami down, ami up continuous with a extra i or m down up. It's a continuous roll thing and takes a lot of practice.

It's ended with dragging the thumb through the chord.



Ricardo -> RE: What is this technique? (Manuel Valencia ) (Jun. 26 2017 15:33:41)

It's i up, a down i down, repeat 11 times, finish with thumb down.



kitarist -> RE: What is this technique? (Manuel Valencia ) (Jun. 26 2017 16:59:21)

It's what Ricardo and Piwin said - a continuous iai rasgueado. I just wanted to add a picture to show how I go about trying to figure out what the fingers are doing when the camera angle is not ideal - I look for the pattern of the proximal phalanges (the part of the fingers nearest the "knuckle" joint, aka. MCP joint - as in the picture below).

Having a pattern of the m-finger's proximal phalange lifted while the i- and a-fingers have theirs lowered is a tell-tale sign that the m-finger is likely not participating in striking the strings during this passage.



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mrstwinkle -> RE: What is this technique? (Manuel Valencia ) (Jun. 26 2017 17:14:45)

Thanks guys - I'll give the I-A method a go. 2 finger rasgueados are new to me so will be good to learn.

Managed to get a rather funky i-only rasgeado with m-a tremolo going while experimenting. Might file away to revisit sometime.



estebanana -> RE: What is this technique? (Manuel Valencia ) (Jun. 26 2017 22:56:24)

quote:

It's i up, a down i down, repeat 11 times, finish with thumb down.


You're so elite.



mrstwinkle -> RE: What is this technique? (Manuel Valencia ) (Jul. 3 2017 19:04:03)

With a lot of trial and error I can get pretty close with a resgueado that emphasises the 2nd and 4th strings, with just a light brushing of the strings either side on the way up/down.



Ricardo -> RE: What is this technique? (Manuel Valencia ) (Jul. 5 2017 18:18:42)

quote:

ORIGINAL: mrstwinkle

With a lot of trial and error I can get pretty close with a resgueado that emphasises the 2nd and 4th strings, with just a light brushing of the strings either side on the way up/down.


Time to get a teacher.



mrstwinkle -> RE: What is this technique? (Manuel Valencia ) (Jul. 5 2017 19:33:09)

I have, but on holidays this month.. Please explain why this is wrong, if it is? I'm trying to understand the technique.



jalalkun -> RE: What is this technique? (Manuel Valencia ) (Jul. 6 2017 6:50:42)

EDIT: I confuse these frickin letters. -___- I always think A is the index finger, because A is the first letter, but it stands for anular, which is the ring finger. so it's A down, I down, I up.

Try practicing the rasueo slowly, hit for hit, by snapping your fingers out with as little brush as possible. the sound you are trying to generate should be explosive. practice for as slow as you need. as soon as you get the feeling of the technique and the speed and flexibility in your fingers, you can try a fluid rasgueo like the guy in the video. but this will take a while, so be patient and be consistent. hope this helps [:)]



Argaith -> RE: What is this technique? (Manuel Valencia ) (Jul. 6 2017 12:36:19)

iai rasgueado is a must to know; you can do it almost in replacement for any other rasgueado (with different effect of course).
It sounds very nice in FDH if you get the galloping effect right (I think that's what its called!).

However, if one does not feel very confident about doing a continuous amii it is very easy to fall into the habit of replacing it with iai and hence not improving the continuous amii

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mrstwinkle -> RE: What is this technique? (Manuel Valencia ) (Jul. 6 2017 16:16:04)

FDH? New Three Letter Acronym to me?

To be clear, you think it should be played amii?



Piwin -> RE: What is this technique? (Manuel Valencia ) (Jul. 6 2017 16:22:56)

fandangos de Huelva [;)]



JasonM -> RE: What is this technique? (Manuel Valencia ) (Jul. 6 2017 16:39:38)

No middle finger, that is a different rasgueado with 4 strokes. This one is a 3 stroke. Usually you see this a lot in Tangos, fandangos, played as index up, a down, index down. That's the basic triplet phrase.



mrstwinkle -> RE: What is this technique? (Manuel Valencia ) (Jul. 7 2017 0:08:24)

Thanks. Top response.



mrstwinkle -> RE: What is this technique? (Manuel Valencia ) (Jul. 7 2017 0:12:35)

Anyone got examples on youtube or whatever of someone else doing this (any palo)?



Dudnote -> RE: What is this technique? (Manuel Valencia ) (Jul. 7 2017 0:55:44)

I'm pretty sure Moraito uses it in his bulerias. It is really useful when amii gets too ragged at speed.



Piwin -> RE: What is this technique? (Manuel Valencia ) (Jul. 7 2017 1:09:57)

3:35 onwards he explains that "galloping" effect Argaith was talking about, just single iai rasugeado with a swing to it.


0:33 Ricardo nailing El Tempul. This line is pretty classic in bulerias (no swing here, continuous iai same space between each note of the rasgueado.



In the tangos or fandangos "swing" that rasgueado always starts on i up (then a down, i down, repeat). For continuous rasgueados you'll see some that start on i up and others that start on a down (then i down, i up, repeat).



mrstwinkle -> RE: What is this technique? (Manuel Valencia ) (Jul. 7 2017 11:26:30)

Nice one :)

I can see what is going on really well there, especially in the fandangos.



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