Andalucian Cascade

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Ryan002 -> Andalucian Cascade (Jan. 30 2006 11:27:07)
Sometimes when I do a Flamenco "roll" (the 3 finger, continuous rasaguedo) it dosen't come out right and there is a sort of "bumpy" feel to it rather than a smooth roll. The "tac, tac, tac" sound, perhaps from my thumb and the bass, seems to punctuate and interfere with the flow. Sometimes it comes out right. I have no real consistency here and I cannot isolate the specific cause. Has anyone experienced this before? Does anyone know why this might be happening? I note that the area below my thumb tends to be stiff and a little sore after a while of doing this, I do not know if this is a sign I am doing it wrong.

henrym3483 -> RE: Andalucian Cascade (Jan. 30 2006 11:31:35)
try changing the angle of attack,wheni started first i was doing the strikes i did them almost vertical to the strings, then i changed to 45 degrees to the string and the sound improved it also had a much more sweeter percussive bite.your thumb should be anchored to the top e string in the beginning to build up stability in playing. also rasgueo takes a while to build up the muscular strength for a nice even tone.

Ryan002 -> RE: Andalucian Cascade (Jan. 30 2006 13:25:35)
Don't you begin the cascade with an upstroke from the thumb? I'm referring specifically to the rasaguedo that goes p,a,i,p,a,i with the p going up and the a and i going down. That one with the continuous motion.

Miguel de Maria -> RE: Andalucian Cascade (Jan. 30 2006 14:14:24)
"Andalucian cascade"? Ryan, your gift for words is truly spectacular. I thought this was simply a version of the "Marote rasgueado". Supposedly Marote developed it because of a deformation or injury that didn't allow him to execute the traditional ras. Also, he supposedly got the idea from watching Mariachis strum. Although in Paco Pena's book, there is a claim that he invented the pxi rasgeuado, which is basically the same thing.

Ryan002 -> RE: Andalucian Cascade (Jan. 30 2006 14:21:46)
Marote rasguedo eh. Now I know where it comes from. I only used the term Andalucian Cascade because that's the term used by the person who taught it to me. [:D] Yes I read in the student repertoire book that Paco Pena says to use the pinky instead because it makes it smoother. However, I am more used to doing it the Marote way. Anyhow, is there a reason why it's not smooth sometimes?

henrym3483 -> RE: Andalucian Cascade (Jan. 30 2006 14:22:38)
id do this rasgueo in tangos quiet a bit p a m i depending on where i land in the phrase, ive done a triplet rasgueo with just m i i, which is tricky but i though you meant in your orignal post the fixed a m i rasgueo. btw here a link for lesson on flamenco-teacher.com which may help. Continuous Rasgueado Using p-e-a-m-i

Ryan002 -> RE: Andalucian Cascade (Jan. 30 2006 14:31:20)
Wow, thanks. And it's a good site for many other things too!

Ricardo -> RE: Andalucian Cascade (Jan. 31 2006 15:08:09)
I learned the family of strums using the wrist movement as "Abanico" or fan. P up, a down, i down is one of the main abanico strums. The one called "marote" I also consider in the family, but refers specifically to p up, m or am together down, p down. These are all triplet based movements. To smooth out uneveness, think in terms of even rhythms not triplets. 2,4,or 8 notes per beat. For p,a, i,p, a, i, it is important that p and i move together downward which keeps the hand closed. For p, am, p, p, am, p, the fingers move down but the thumb stays up, opening the hand.

sorin popovici -> RE: Andalucian Cascade (Feb. 1 2006 2:40:00)
i prefer p a i than p m p ,for me it's smoother and cant control better what strings I hit. P m p it is said it is a lot faster ,so I guess both should be learned . But I think u also need a 3 stroke rasgueado without p like: a i(down) i (up ) or m i(down) i (up). Also another 3 stroke rasgueado but tricky is : p (up) ami (together down). As u notice u have just 2 strokes so to make a 3 stroke u will have to know how to accentuate . I mean P ami p Ami p ami P.This should sound Ta-ta-ta-Ta-ta-ta-TA. I have troubles with this one also ,but doing rasgueadoes like this helps in my opinion to get some good wrist movement. Ricardo's advice to count in two the 3 stroke rasgueados (btw,also called tresillios. The marote is a tresillo for example,anyway the name is not important) is good. My advice is do not try to play 20000000000 continuos rasgueados,that wont help. Try do to little rhytm accentuating with a last movement .Instead of doing many continuos rasgueados try to do just one or a couple ,but fast. Example : Ta-ta-ta -TA or Ta-ta-ta-Ta-ta-ta-TA It is not that important after all to be able to do for half an hour continuos rasgueados,if u look at a buleria ...u'll see that more important is to do quick and short ones.Anyway,take it slow...and exercise on your jeans when u dont have a guitar,that worked for me [:D]

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