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estebanana -> Canizares talks about Granados'relationship to flamenco (Apr. 6 2017 2:30:26)

Canizares plays Granados

Fantastic versions of some of the guitarra andaluza chestnuts

seriously good

http://www.rtve.es/alacarta/audios/nuestro-flamenco/nuestro-flamenco-granados-canizares-04-04-17/3967043/



Richard Jernigan -> RE: Canizares talks about Granados'relationship to flamenco (Apr. 7 2017 1:16:43)

Thanks for the heads up estebanana. I listened to the podcast and promptly bought the 3-cd Granados anthology off Cañizares' web site, for less than 25 euros, shipping included.

You can hear the influence of flamenco technique on Cañizares playing of his transcriptions of Granados' classical piano pieces: a more defined attack, more precise rhythm. I like it!

RNJ



estebanana -> RE: Canizares talks about Granados'relationship to flamenco (Apr. 7 2017 10:20:04)

Good stuff. I was listening to how Granados was playing with Bach ideas.



Ricardo -> RE: Canizares talks about Granados'relationship to flamenco (Apr. 7 2017 11:22:25)

I really respect cañizares and especially the trio with Paco he did was amazing. His strong point is arranging for multiple guitars IMO, as can be heard with the overdubbed tracks on some of those granados pieces....but at the end of the day I must admit I really don't get this music at all. It's like fakemenco classical cheese...and why would a proper flamenco guy want to do it? I can't get into it. That spanish dance number 5 crap I played in college and I was like "ugh"....and he didn't even milk that slow section like the classical guys do. Albeniz is only a little bit better. At least with Falla or Lorca they retain some of the flamenco dark magic. THank god the disc jockey (rito y geografia awesome dude) snuck in that Montoya minera for comparison, warm and fuzzy feeling right there. And finally saved my morning at the end with Caracol and Juan Habichuela OLE!!!!



estebanana -> RE: Canizares talks about Granados'relationship to flamenco (Apr. 7 2017 13:25:28)

Jeeze whizz, Debbie Downer.........

You have to think of Granados in the same light as Zarzuela, or Spanish classical dance, it ain't flamenco, but some pieces are guitar andaluz.. Granados is like Faure' or some of the other late romantics, it's not even close to flamenco, but Canizares makes it interesting. I do prefer his attack and his interpretation.

I'd rather hear most Granado's on the guitar rater then pieanno.



Thomas -> RE: Canizares talks about Granados'relationship to flamenco (Apr. 8 2017 13:16:30)

From a classical point of view, Canizares plays without musical phrasing...all sounds stiff, uninspired and boring
Plus the sound of the CD is just horrible..boxy and reverb drenched, nonetheless almost mono..
From a flamenco pov, I am with Ricardo : this is cheesy fakemenco,
music for the Vanessa Mae listeners...



Richard Jernigan -> RE: Canizares talks about Granados'relationship to flamenco (Apr. 8 2017 21:45:58)

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ORIGINAL: Thomas

From a classical point of view, Canizares plays without musical phrasing...all sounds stiff, uninspired and boring
Plus the sound of the CD is just horrible..boxy and reverb drenched, nonetheless almost mono..
From a flamenco pov, I am with Ricardo : this is cheesy fakemenco,
music for the Vanessa Mae listeners...


From a background of classical training, it is precisely the "squareness" of Cañizares' interpretation that I found interesting. It goes completely against the all-too-frequent application of "technically convenient" expression.

I still remember my delight on hearing Barrueco's early Vox LP of Albeniz and Granados, where the expression is entirely musical, unencumbered by technical distortions. It was a breath of fresh air after Segovia.

My favorite interpreter of Granados is the pianist Alicia de Larrocha, whose expression Barrueco's most resembles.

I plan to play some of the Cañizares as background music, next time I have some classical friends over for dinner--pianists as well as guitarists--to see whether I get a rise out of them.

Yes, Cañizares' production is even worse than the usual classical releases from the big labels. Too much artificial reverb, but not quite as much dynamic compression as some of the big labels stomp on.

By the way, who is Vanessa Mae?

RNJ



JohnWalshGuitar -> RE: Canizares talks about Granados'relationship to flamenco (Apr. 8 2017 21:59:07)

I've yet to hear this one but I am a massive fan of Cañizares. He is a musical genius and a total gentleman, generous and very open.
It's funny, in every place I've been in Andalucia he is held in very high regard by players and singers alike, and not for his work with the trio but rather his work with Morente, Duquende and others as well as his encyclopaedic knowledge.
Even if this one is cheesey as you say, I'm gonna step in here and defend JMC.
He is a legend in my books.
Opinions and tastes differ, but I believe he should have earned our respect by now. He certainly knows more and has done more in Flamenco than any of us here have or ever will.
Go Cañizares!



Cloth Ears -> RE: Canizares talks about Granados'relationship to flamenco (Apr. 9 2017 18:26:38)

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Go Cañizares!


+1

Love his other classical recordings. He has touch.



estebanana -> RE: Canizares talks about Granados'relationship to flamenco (Apr. 10 2017 14:31:47)

Here's another one for Richard in particular, the rest of you may be interested, but not flamenco. An overview of Spanish classical music through the ages.

Richard dig this:

https://nac-cna.ca/en/podcasts/episode/spanish-music

Thank you Canada



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