mark74 -> RE: Good beginner pieces (Mar. 12 2017 16:39:19)
So that famous repeating falseta is verdiales and not malaguena? Am I mistaken in thinking they are both in the fandango family?
Brendan -> RE: Good beginner pieces (Mar. 12 2017 17:01:10)
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flamenco becomes much more complex when it is "explained"
Word!
True story. Scene: small-group guitar lesson.
Estudiente, brimming with proper desire to ascend from practice to theory: "What do you call this chord?" (Demonstrates second shape of Villa-Lobos study 1)
Old-school tocaor: "Pepe"
Leñador -> RE: Good beginner pieces (Mar. 12 2017 19:03:16)
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So that famous repeating falseta is verdiales and not malaguena?
You're probably thinking of paso doble, not Versdiales or malagueña
Ricardo -> RE: Good beginner pieces (Mar. 12 2017 19:15:33)
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ORIGINAL: Leñador
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So that famous repeating falseta is verdiales and not malaguena?
You're probably thinking of paso doble, not Versdiales or malagueña
WOW guys...[8|]
"It", meaning the famous melody (melodies plural) is NEITHER!!! It's Lecuona piano piece I linked...nothing to do with flamenco or malagueña other than the song title. Flamenco guitarists have been incorporating that cheesy shiit into their guitar solos for decades because that silly thing became popular as a way for classical fans to identify with spain.
mark74 -> RE: Good beginner pieces (Mar. 12 2017 19:22:38)
I made the link to malageuna because of this piece in Juan Martin's book
(thats not me btw)
I can identify a fandango from the cante, but I cant identify sub-genres of things without someone telling me what they are. Im not at that poiont in my knowledge
Leñador -> RE: Good beginner pieces (Mar. 12 2017 19:52:20)
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WOW guys...
I was assuming he was confusing the verdiales "riff" with paso doble. I see now he meant the Lecuona melody.
PS yeah mark, both come from fandango family.
Richard Jernigan -> RE: Good beginner pieces (Mar. 12 2017 20:09:10)
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ORIGINAL: Ricardo
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ORIGINAL: Richard Jernigan
Well, there is a slight connection to malagueña in Lecuona's piece. He quotes verdiales, which is a fandango popular from the province of Malaga. Of course, this doesn't make it a flamenco malagueña. But flamencos sometimes finish off malagueña with a verse or two of verdiales, in compas abandolao...at least they used to.
RNJ
No he doesn't. Perhaps you refer to PDL versions where add verdiales into it in order to make it legit flamenco? (More like he adds Lecuona quote to his Malagueña/verdiales composition)
You're right, as usual. But I wasn't referring to Paco's version.
On ABC-Paramount 428, "Fiesta Flamenca," Mario Escudero plays one of his compositions, "Caminos Malagueños." It's probably the first flamenco I ever copped off a record.
After a short intro "Caminos Malagueños" turns into verdiales, then sticks in a bit of Lecuona--the part that starts it 1:55 on the Youtube you linked.
Someone told me "Caminos Malagueños" was malagueñas pa' bailar. It was a while before I found out it was verdiales plus Lecuona. Of course I had heard the Lecuona since I was a little kid.
Somewhere during the intervening 55 years I began to imagine that Lecuona had copped verdiales in his piece, but listening to the Youtube you linked, I hear this is not the case. In his noodling around Lecuona may come close a time or two, but he never really does verdiales.
Verdiales in its native habitat as a fandango popular, not flamenco:
RNJ
jg7238 -> RE: Good beginner pieces (Mar. 13 2017 0:00:38)
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It was some wishy washy spanishy nonsense
[:D]
Ricardo -> RE: Good beginner pieces (Mar. 13 2017 9:51:14)
