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athrane77 -> Farruca quarter notes (Nov. 30 2016 12:04:41)

Im very confused with the compás of the farruca.
Is every downstroke of this basic compás pattern a quarter note or an eight note?
-0--0--0-
-0--0--0-2-3-2-1-0-
-1--1--1-
-2--2--2
-2--2--2 etc.
-0--0--0



Leñador -> RE: Farruca quarter notes (Nov. 30 2016 14:38:44)

Calling it a quarter note proves there is confusion. [:D]
I would say, the down strokes are the beat of the compas....



Ricardo -> RE: Farruca quarter notes (Nov. 30 2016 16:29:34)

quote:

ORIGINAL: athrane77

Im very confused with the compás of the farruca.
Is every downstroke of this basic compás pattern a quarter note or an eight note?
-0--0--0-
-0--0--0-2-3-2-1-0-
-1--1--1-
-2--2--2
-2--2--2 etc.
-0--0--0


8th notes....1&2&3&4&....



athrane77 -> RE: Farruca quarter notes (Nov. 30 2016 16:56:49)

Thanks.[:)]



athrane77 -> RE: Farruca quarter notes (Dec. 1 2016 11:34:59)

I'm learning the farruca from sabicas but still have trouble with the rhythm.
Is the first arpegio falseta sixtuplets or triplets?
simply put, is the tempo of the piece (more or less) 60-70 bpm or 120-140 bpm?
The farruca por baile seems to be much more slower than a solo piece, is that correct?

[8|][8D][:D]



Piwin -> RE: Farruca quarter notes (Dec. 1 2016 11:36:58)

quote:

60-70 bpm

that



Ricardo -> RE: Farruca quarter notes (Dec. 1 2016 11:59:15)

quote:

ORIGINAL: athrane77

I'm learning the farruca from sabicas but still have trouble with the rhythm.
Is the first arpegio falseta sixtuplets or triplets?
simply put, is the tempo of the piece (more or less) 60-70 bpm or 120-140 bpm?
The farruca por baile seems to be much more slower than a solo piece, is that correct?

[8|][8D][:D]


Tempos can fluctuate and jump around. Here is an easy way to think of the count. Count to 8 for each phrase such that:
E7 chord = 1,2,3,4
Am chord = 5,6,7,8.

When the music stops, it's always count 7.



athrane77 -> RE: Farruca quarter notes (Dec. 1 2016 12:18:28)

Thank you both Piwin and Ricardo.
Is it always like that, Ricardo?
The compás strumming starts at 0:17 in that piece

In this example it sounds like he changes the chords after two beats.
E7 Am E7 Am
1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8



Piwin -> RE: Farruca quarter notes (Dec. 1 2016 13:29:55)

quote:

quote: 60-70 bpm that

apparently not that [8D]



Ricardo -> RE: Farruca quarter notes (Dec. 2 2016 16:38:28)

quote:

ORIGINAL: athrane77

Thank you both Piwin and Ricardo.
Is it always like that, Ricardo?
The compás strumming starts at 0:17 in that piece

In this example it sounds like he changes the chords after two beats.
E7 Am E7 Am
1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8



It's always like that, so in your example, as you wrote it, you are feeling the half note as the beat. (If you define the count as I tried to describe as QUARTER NOTES). As I stated before you can tell by where he stops the rhythm, which would be count 7, if you think half notes it would be a different number.

The cierre gives it away more clearly:
Dm=1 2 3 4
Am=5 6 7 8
E7= 1 2 3 4
Am= 5 6 7 (rest)

At :17 the count is 126 bpm for two full compases then he speeds up to about 140.

THe other way to think about it is the measure is 2/4 and the count 1-8 are the eighth notes and your ORIGINAL question means the strokes are 16th notes....both ways are considered correct in classical music world. (Quarter note equals 126 bpm in 4/4, or quarter =63 bpm in 2/4.) But Flamenco is from a different discipline, hence the importance of understanding the 8 count phrase vs normal 4/4 or 2/4 meter. If you are reading from a transcription you have to figure out WHICH WAY the transcriber chose to notatate the count; based on the phrasing I described. Because there is more than one way it is done in practice, you can perhaps understand the aversion to written music Flamencos have historically exhibited.

Hope that helps.

Ricardo



athrane77 -> RE: Farruca quarter notes (Dec. 3 2016 14:25:07)

quote:

Hope that helps.

Yes, a lot! Thank you!!



Filip -> RE: Farruca quarter notes (Dec. 4 2016 17:45:27)

Hi,

I am also learning the same farruca. Honestly I had little idea if I am doing it right since this is the first time I study farruca compass and I was reading some ages on the web etc to get familiar with it.

The way I'm learning it, it's 1-2-3-4 compas cycle (4 metronome beats), where each beat is a quarter. In the strumming pattern at the beginning, each chord is played for 4 quarters, so that each chord is played for one 1-2-3-4 cycle. The whole strumming has 8 compas cycles, one chord per cycle.
After the strumming, the first cycle contains mostly eighth notes, so it's one compas cycle until the very first (short) tremolo begins.

Now, I have very little musical knowledge (actually not any) and I don't quite understand what Ricardo has said in earlier posts, but seems to me I am on the right track except that a cycle should have 8 quarters and not 4. Anyway, if anyone is confused with what I explained above, just ignore me :)

Cheers



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