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athrane77 -> flicked rasgueado - finger nails against to the top? (Oct. 4 2016 20:18:18)

Hola,
i looked at my rasgueados and found out that i'm playing with my nails against to the top of the guitar when i play non-flicked rasgueados. Is it the same deal with flicked rasgueados?
I hope you understand what I mean.
Thanks!
athrane77



Sr. Martins -> RE: flicked rasgueado - finger nails against to the top? (Oct. 4 2016 21:38:11)

How does that happen? Is it somekind of "capirotesque" rasgueado?



rombsix -> RE: flicked rasgueado - finger nails against to the top? (Oct. 4 2016 21:44:19)

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How does that happen? Is it somekind of "capirotesque" rasgueado?


[:D]



athrane77 -> RE: flicked rasgueado - finger nails against to the top? (Oct. 4 2016 21:51:25)

[:D]
I mean, when I play non-flick rasgueados I push the strings a little bit down to make the rasgueado louder/more powerful. I was asking if it's the same for the flicked rasgueados. There is a difference between catching the string with the entire nail or just with the tip of it.
Maybe I'm making things too complicated but I hope you understand what I mean.



Aretium -> RE: flicked rasgueado - finger nails against to the top? (Oct. 4 2016 22:03:49)

The punchy rasgueado is impossible for me. I can only hit the bass notes and not all the trebles. That rolling one is the only one I am good at and i manage to get good power and it sounds in between if this makes sense.



Sr. Martins -> RE: flicked rasgueado - finger nails against to the top? (Oct. 4 2016 22:29:20)

I think I just use the tips in both cases. The sound gets "boinky" and bassier if I get too much nail in there.



Richard Jernigan -> RE: flicked rasgueado - finger nails against to the top? (Oct. 5 2016 0:01:56)

I mentioned a while back that I audited a master class at the local university where Grisha was specifically asked by the head of the guitar studio to give a lesson on rasgueado. One of the things he said was you don't have to really dig in to get a good sound--in fact you shouldn't dig in. In pieces where the composer specifies a fairly elementary rasgueado, I've noticed that most classical guitarists, even the greats, dig in too much to get a good crisp sound, and it slows them down.

RNJ



rombsix -> RE: flicked rasgueado - finger nails against to the top? (Oct. 5 2016 0:20:22)

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I mean, when I play non-flick rasgueados I push the strings a little bit down to make the rasgueado louder/more powerful. I was asking if it's the same for the flicked rasgueados. There is a difference between catching the string with the entire nail or just with the tip of it.
Maybe I'm making things too complicated but I hope you understand what I mean.


I think I use more of the entire flat surface of the nail with the non-flick ones, and more of the tips of the fingers/nails with the flicking ones. It's not a HUGE difference between the two styles, though I understand what you mean, and I agree that they're not the same.



athrane77 -> RE: flicked rasgueado - finger nails against to the top? (Oct. 5 2016 9:16:29)

Thanks for the advice. Helped me a lot.



Sr. Martins -> RE: flicked rasgueado - finger nails against to the top? (Oct. 5 2016 16:20:13)

Personally, my goal with the non flick is to make it sound exactly like the flicked ones but with less power. I feel it's easier to include the top strings if you don't flick.

It took me years to be able to do the non flicking evenly, maybe I am slow.



Kiko_Roca -> RE: flicked rasgueado - finger nails against to the top? (Oct. 5 2016 20:50:48)

I feel like I must have missed a few days of class way back... What is the difference between flick and non flick that is being discussed? I don't get how the terminology is relating to the finger mechanics. Are you guys actually bracing the finger on palm or thumb or something and literally flicking them out? or is it just down/flick up/non-flick? or...



Sr. Martins -> RE: flicked rasgueado - finger nails against to the top? (Oct. 5 2016 21:40:04)

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bracing the finger on palm or thumb or something and literally flicking them out


This



rombsix -> RE: flicked rasgueado - finger nails against to the top? (Oct. 5 2016 22:10:41)

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Personally, my goal with the non flick is to make it sound exactly like the flicked ones but with less power. I feel it's easier to include the top strings if you don't flick.


I think that is not the goal of non-flick. They are supposed to sound "mushy" and more old-school sounding. The flicking ones are supposed to sound more staccato in that you have a distinct attack by each finger with a well-defined sound with each stroke. The non-flick ones are supposed to sounds more "continuous" like brushing the strings. They are supposed to be two different sounds, and not just a difference in volume. That is what Diego del Morao says in his classes. He explicitly asks for the sound of non-flick to be more mushy and brushing like. That does NOT mean weak or wimpy sounding, obviously. The non-flick ones can be super powerful if you practice them, have been using them for some time, and you have power in your fingers / hand. The non-flick ones I guess in theory can sound louder at the max strength of your flicking, but I think the idea is more the quality of the sound that should be intentionally different with each technique, and not just a matter of different volumes.

Kiko - look this topic up on the foro. I have several posts / threads about it with videos.

Cheers!



Sr. Martins -> RE: flicked rasgueado - finger nails against to the top? (Oct. 5 2016 23:29:01)

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That is what Diego del Morao says in his classes. He explicitly asks for the sound of non-flick to be more mushy and brushing like.


Maybe that's a subjective thing since I would give him as an example of what I said. [:D] His non flicking ones can be so subtle and delicate.. but yeah, in bulerias remates he makes it sound mushier, maybe that's what he meant.

On the other hand, Moraíto would be one of my mushy examples, which is the thing I try to avoid when practicing..



Piwin -> RE: flicked rasgueado - finger nails against to the top? (Oct. 6 2016 0:49:36)

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Kiko - look this topic up on the foro. I have several posts / threads about it with videos.


Plus, it can be hugely entertaining to look up old threads. I went looking for some specifics on legatto and found this old thread where some foro members seem to have fought to the death over how to do a proper legatto. It probably wasn't fun at the time, but man it was fun to read.[8D] And I found the information I was looking for. Entertaining and useful. Viva el foro![:)]



Ricardo -> RE: flicked rasgueado - finger nails against to the top? (Oct. 6 2016 2:41:07)

The flicking or not is about targeting a specific string group. It snaps into a specific group of strings rather than rake across. The nails are used the exact same way in both cases.



Kiko_Roca -> RE: flicked rasgueado - finger nails against to the top? (Oct. 7 2016 15:55:12)

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ORIGINAL: rombsix
Kiko - look this topic up on the foro. I have several posts / threads about it with videos.



Will do - guess I have missed a thing or two.


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ORIGINAL: Ricardo
The flicking or not is about targeting a specific string group. It snaps into a specific group of strings rather than rake across. The nails are used the exact same way in both cases.


That makes good sense to me. Thanks for the insight.



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