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laughingstock -> Sevillanas (Jun. 30 2016 6:13:06)

For those of you who play for dance accompaniment which Sevillanas do you use? I'm looking for suggestions. The Juan Martin stuff is too basic for me. I didn't really like the Paco Pena Toques Flamencos Sevillanas much either. Thanks.


p.s. I'm looking for solo guitar as I don't have the pleasure of working with a singer.



Blondie#2 -> RE: Sevillanas (Jun. 30 2016 7:40:20)

I used to use the Paco Pena ones, the dancer I worked with at the time recognised the melodies and said they were nice but 'very old'. They did the job but yeah, not quite interesting enough for me

I find it hard to find more modern, but not too complex stuff, the few examples I have found are the two examples below by Jason McGuire and maybe one or two of Moraito's from Feria del Caballo (the final one in particular).

First one is my favourite, wish I could find more like this:







Would be very interested to see if people have other suggestions on this.



laughingstock -> RE: Sevillanas (Jun. 30 2016 14:41:56)

Thanks. I'll give that E-major one a go. The Moraito is maybe more than I can handle at this point though.

Come on guys- I know we aren't the only ones playing Sevillanas here [8|]



Leñador -> RE: Sevillanas (Jun. 30 2016 15:14:27)

From my experience student dancers can't handle complicated solo guitar sevillanas. I'd play em with some of the better dancers but for dance class I generally ended up playing chords from a cante sevillanas like Cara Cara or puerta de Toledo and adding some embellishments where I could.



Piwin -> RE: Sevillanas (Jun. 30 2016 15:17:26)

To be honest it's been a while! Last time I think I had used the chord voicings from "A pastora" by Estrella Morente. Sometimes the chords are enough to suggest some kind of melody and, if you mix up the rhythm a bit but not so much that it will disturb the dancers, it works rather well IMO. "A pastora" also has a short falseta in it that has a nice little melody to it. It is pretty easy to extend and transpose to other keys. The Moraito stuff that Blondie#2 mentioned is also really good.



athrane77 -> RE: Sevillanas (Jun. 30 2016 15:49:24)

The Morao Sevillanas is not easy, rhythm wise.
I wouldn't start with them.
The intro is different than the "normal" too. Before you start to learn a guitar solo learn to accompany some sevillanas. lenador has mentioned some, this will be a good point to start and it is easy.
I learned 4 Sevillanas from Sabicas, technically they are pretty challenging but the rhythm isn't complex and you get the idea of the rhythm.



JasonM -> RE: Sevillanas (Jun. 30 2016 16:06:55)

Ricardo (foro) composed 4 coplas a long time ago that were really nice and modern, technical too, but they also fit very well with what the dancers were doing, who were using steps for some more traditional coplas. For the class that I was playing for, only one of the morao coplas worked or fit, the rest clashed, and just wouldn't seem right. I don't know much about it but that might be something to take into consideration.

Edit: the Moraito coplas in A minor worked well I think against the the traditional sevillana in A major because both are call and response based phrasing I believe. So it depends.



Leñador -> RE: Sevillanas (Jun. 30 2016 16:23:40)

Sevillanas is a lot more strict/formulaic than other palos, so one extra 3 count and the whole things off from the dancers. This article is good.
http://ravennaflamenco.com/articles/accompaniment-sevillana



Piwin -> RE: Sevillanas (Jun. 30 2016 17:13:26)

I trip on that tremolo section every time. Way too fast for me!



johnnefastis -> RE: Sevillanas (Jun. 30 2016 23:31:07)

I know a lot of people that use the ones from the Juan Martin book, very are pretty traditional and simple to pull off.

Here you are at about 5 minutes in.



Cheers



Dudnote -> RE: Sevillanas (Jul. 1 2016 2:51:09)

Here's a pretty simple one, Nick Wilkinson's opening falseta of his 2003 Glastonbury Festival recording.

Sorry about the frogs. They're very happy tonight, the rainy season is starting.



Dudnote -> RE: Sevillanas (Jul. 1 2016 3:16:04)

A rough take of another falseta from Nick's recording - again with backing chorus of frogs.

Would anyone like to post some strumming variations for Sevillanas? It looks like I could do with a few [:D]



timoteo -> RE: Sevillanas (Jul. 1 2016 3:18:37)

Hi laughingstock,

I see that you just joined, and this is your first post on the foro. Welcome! Please indicate where you are from in the "From" field of your profile!

One of the great things about the foro is the stored knowledge contained in all the posts made here over the years. Might I suggest using the search feature to find information about Sevillanas? You will find hundreds of posts, including many many videos of foro members playing Sevillanas, tabs of Sevillanas, videos of famous people playing Sevillanas, tutorials of how to play Sevillanas, discussions of Sevillanas structure, discussions of Sevillanas for baile, etc. A lot of people have put a lot of time into creating these resources. Many questions you have about flamenco can probably be answered quicker and better by searching rather than asking.



Dudnote -> RE: Sevillanas (Jul. 1 2016 4:13:51)

Voila, a slightly shaky recording of a nice falseta in Em. Again, taken from Nick's Glastonbury recording. I've no idea whether or not he wrote these.



laughingstock -> RE: Sevillanas (Jul. 1 2016 4:42:08)

Great ideas!! Thanks guys. Sevillanas went from an afterthought to something I'll give more time and effort to. Again thanks guys.



Leñador -> RE: Sevillanas (Jul. 1 2016 4:43:06)

Ole Dud!
I don't think he wrote those, I learned those falsetas from one of my teachers, I think there pretty traditional.
I may have some time tomorrow to post some just chords sevillanas.



Dudnote -> RE: Sevillanas (Jul. 2 2016 1:59:28)

Thanks Lenny. You know this one? It's fun to play.



Leñador -> RE: Sevillanas (Jul. 2 2016 2:07:09)

I do not know that one but I feel like I've heard it somewhere. It does look fun to play. There seems to be an issue with playback at 0:36.
Is that your Anders? That looks fun to play too! [:D]



Dudnote -> RE: Sevillanas (Jul. 2 2016 2:27:45)

Yeps, that's her. She definitely is fun to play, you should try some time [;)] Talking of fun toys for boys, haven't seen Stephane post much recently - you got any news on your future six stringed mistress?

Thanks for the heads up on the play back error. Curiously it was buggy on my phone but not my computer. I re-uploaded, hopefully it works better now.



Leñador -> RE: Sevillanas (Jul. 2 2016 3:40:13)

Ya mejor, que bueno!
Stephens just layin low for a bit, he's just starting mine, gunna send over some plan sketches for me to frame and hang in the mean time. [:)] Workin on some material to post once I get it, get ready for some singing that should've stayed in the car and shower! Lol



El Kiko -> RE: Sevillanas (Jul. 2 2016 15:51:36)

are you getting a new guitar made Leñador ¿



Leñador -> RE: Sevillanas (Jul. 2 2016 20:26:59)

I am! Bananasan is building me an angry blanca! [:D]



Dudnote -> RE: Sevillanas (Jul. 2 2016 22:06:50)

quote:

ORIGINAL: Leñador
Workin on some material to post once I get it, get ready for some singing that should've stayed in the car and shower!

Cante lo hombre!! Cante lo!!



El Kiko -> RE: Sevillanas (Jul. 2 2016 22:27:08)

Bananasan ....[:D][:D]

..see if you can request a few pics from time to time as its getting nailed together ,, to put here ..

and remember , we'll want a big video from you when you get it ... singers, dancers ..flamenco laser show .. dry ice ...the lot .



Leñador -> RE: Sevillanas (Jul. 2 2016 23:13:34)

I'll indeed post some pics when they come in, he's just in the sketches of it now. Wrapping up the build before me.

Lasers and fog eh? Hmmmmm like a flamenco pink Floyd laser show....I think I like it. I'll do my best but dancers hate anything that takes attention away from them. [:D]
I hear it now "Fog???? How will people see my feet??? These shoes are $600 from Spain!" "What color lasers?? My bata is green and gold I don't want any clashing! "



Ricardo -> RE: Sevillanas (Jul. 4 2016 16:46:57)

No lasers yet but last year we used fog and the singers complained a lot about not catching breath.



Leñador -> RE: Sevillanas (Jul. 4 2016 18:57:19)

Yeah fog machines can be a bit too much in the wrong environment. I used to sub for my friend in his band from time to time and they loved fog machines. In a small place with no ventilation it'll strangle you. Lol dry ice probably a little tamer.



El Kiko -> RE: Sevillanas (Jul. 4 2016 19:31:38)

yeah , got to admit , in the dance /rock band i didnt like it much and used to wander over to the side of the stage until the wind blew it away ,,,outside concerts , i mean ...
The Spanish used to like it a lot as it made the lights look better ...if a few musicians die on the way .....ah well .....thats art ...



mark indigo -> RE: Sevillanas (Aug. 3 2016 14:42:41)

quote:

taken from Nick's Glastonbury recording. I've no idea whether or not he wrote these.


Paco Peña

Not sure without checking if all these 4 are recorded on "Fabulous Flamenco" or "Flamenco Guitar", but I'm pretty sure the A Major verse is on both recordings

EDIT: "Flamenco Guitar" is the title of the twofer of Azahara and Montoya/Ricardo - the Sevillanas is on the Azahara disc.



Dudnote -> RE: Sevillanas (Aug. 4 2016 4:13:46)

Thanks Mark, I suspected they might be PP's. I'll have to check those discs out.



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