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Escribano -> Another trip, a new guitar? (Oct. 3 2003 8:54:19)

I'm off to Andaluz again in the next few weeks, so where do I go for some more lessons?

Back to Granada or Jerez or Sevilla. Any recommendations? I really want to see some performances as well. Granada is lovely but too hit or miss for penas.

If I were to buy a guitar for $3000 which luthiers would you be suggesting down there?

I would like to see the workshop if possible. Not just the store. Any ideas?



gerundino63 -> RE: Another trip, a new guitar? (Oct. 3 2003 9:34:57)

Hi Simon

Lucky you!!

( I suppose you don't need somebody to carry your luggage?? lol [;)])

I have some favorite guitar builders, but a few I would like to fisit myself someday are:

Felix Manzanero in Madrid

Pedro y Hijos Maldonado in Malaga

Manuel Belido in Granada

There is in Madrid too Juan Alvarez. I have a classic guitar from his father it was built in 1979 and it is a very good and loud guitar, I know he makes flamenco too, and he is not well known, so the price will be there perhaps be a little better.

Here is a site with all the Spanish guitarbuilders.
http://www.flamenco-seiten.de/adressen_gitarrenbauer.htm#Madrid

Good "hunting" Peter.



Melchor -> RE: Another trip, a new guitar? (Oct. 3 2003 11:26:09)

Hi Simon

I think it is already time you go to Jerez and take some classes with El Carbonero. I am sure Phil will be willing to help you. There should be some gigs in the peñas. Regarding guitars you could go to Algodonales which is in the mountains not too far from Jerez where the Valeriano Bernal workshop is. If you go to Jerez you will end up finding somebody like Moraito or Paco Cepero having a drink next to you.

Un saludo

Melchor



Fergusito -> RE: Another trip, a new guitar? (Oct. 3 2003 12:34:24)

Hi Melchor, Simon y otros

I'm off to Sevilla in a couple of weeks for WOMEX

Melchor - are you back in sunny Crawley, if you wnat to Ulises we are playing at the Lewes pena at the Lewes arms just outside of Brighton
Fergus



Jim Opfer -> RE: Another trip, a new guitar? (Oct. 3 2003 14:02:27)

Simon you lucky man!
What a great thing to be doing.
I went over to the south coast and Granada a few years ago to find a guitar.
Rene Barslaag in Lanjeron is good to go and see, half way between Granada and the coast. He makes great guitars but he's booked up for years, however, he'll phone round for you to see if any of the Granada makers have a guitar available, Rene has a long neck flamenco (14 frets to the neck) and it was hanging on his wall, an experiment, interesting to play.
In Granada this time of the year there are few guitars, I was told that the weather in October is bad for finishing instruments.
Manuel Bellido has his shop in Plaza Real (I think that's the name) but he didn't have any primera guitars there. If you go, try to speak with his daughter, she is in the shop and has good English. The point being to get taken along to the workshop about 1/2 mile away along past Antonio Marin Montero's place on the fringe of town. Manuel had a wordrobe there with various guitars in cases, he let me try a Coral wood negra that was a sister to the one he made for Tomatito, nice guitar but not for me.
I went to see Pedro Maldonado Snr. in Malaga and he sent me to his son, Pedro Maldonado Ruiz in Torremolinos, very nice man with good English. I bought one of his Primera 1a blancas, but you have to be sure you are happy with the weight and physical size of his guitars which are bigger than normal, I later decided the guitar was not for me and have recently sold her.
There is also Jose Marin in Malaga, but I couldn't find his workshop, he sounds interesting and he's devised a special bridge design that is ment to increase volume from the guitar. So might be worth a look.
However, having said all of that, for 3k I'd definately check out your old pal, Valeriano Bernal, I think at that price he'd provide you with a top class professional guitar.
Cheers
Jim.



Jim Opfer -> RE: Another trip, a new guitar? (Oct. 3 2003 14:06:51)

Simon,
Some more thoughts, closer to your home.
Stephen Hill's about to re-locate his workshop in Granada from Lewes, contact him for advice.
Also, why not get a SH?
Cheers
Jim.



Escribano -> RE: Another trip, a new guitar? (Oct. 3 2003 16:48:29)

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Regarding guitars you could go to Algodonales which is in the mountains not too far from Jerez where the Valeriano Bernal workshop is


Jerez might be good, I like Bernal but I am not sure about El Carbonero's teaching style. Any other comments on this, Fergus et al?

quote:

If you go to Jerez you will end up finding somebody like Moraito or Paco Cepero having a drink next to you.
Good 'cos Moraito owes me a few for the lessons [:D]



Escribano -> RE: Another trip, a new guitar? (Oct. 3 2003 16:49:27)

Hope he cuts it, he won't be short of local competition.

Good idea, I'll call him and see if he has any stock he's shifting.



Phil -> RE: Another trip, a new guitar? (Oct. 3 2003 19:23:48)

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Back to Granada or Jerez or Sevilla. Any recommendations? I really want to see some performances as well.


Simon,

You know what I'm going to recommend.[;)]

Phil



Escribano -> RE: Another trip, a new guitar? (Oct. 3 2003 19:43:30)

Do I get a beer? Which classes would you suggest?



Phil -> RE: Another trip, a new guitar? (Oct. 3 2003 20:40:30)

Simon,
See my post 'Flamenco in Jerez' http://www.foroflamenco.com/tm.asp?m=2302&p=1&tmode=1&smode=1
Of course, I'm going to recommend lessons with El Carbonero. I'm not quite clear on your concerns about his teaching style. Could you elaborate?

And yes, you will get a beer. [:)]
Phil



Escribano -> RE: Another trip, a new guitar? (Oct. 3 2003 20:46:33)

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I'm not quite clear on your concerns about his teaching style. Could you elaborate?


It sounds a bit like a conveyor belt.



Phil -> RE: Another trip, a new guitar? (Oct. 4 2003 0:45:14)

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It sounds a bit like a conveyor belt.

Simon,
Now I know what you're talking about. A couple of people recently came for lessons and they wrote to me with the same concern. Rather than try to convince them, I told each of them to try his 'normal' method and if they didn't like they could arrange completely private lessons. None of them took the completely private lessons option. Talk to someone that's been here, like Fergus for example, and get their input. Then make your decision. (I'm assuming that Fergus was happy, but I don't know that for a fact.) I can tell you that he has students that return year after year, so it can't be that bad. [;)]
Phil



Melchor -> RE: Another trip, a new guitar? (Oct. 4 2003 10:55:59)

Hi Fergus

Tell me , what days do you meet?

Melchor



Miguel de Maria -> RE: Another trip, a new guitar? (Oct. 5 2003 3:08:34)

Simon, if you go to Sevilla, get ahold of Eduardo Rebollar at the Cristina Heeren Fundacion... he's a wonderful soul and the most compassionate of teachers, and the best accompaniast for the cante I've seen--at least to my taste. He makes the whole thing really come alive! Plus he could teach you some cool falsetas, and give you a good spirit of flamenco guitar.



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