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Piwin -> RE: Bass in Flamenco (Mar. 29 2016 8:40:38)

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I have a friend working with using a lever harp in flamenco. Difficult task, but she is from jerez and has a natural compás and thats always a good start.


Would love to hear some of that if ever she manages to get some of it up on the Web!

Thanks for the info on "accordeons". It's really not a kind of instrument I'm familiar with at this point, but oddly enough, somewhere in my mind I had put it as a "flamenco-friendly" instrument.. Go figure.
Up here in Madrid, Semana Santa was quite different than what I had grown accostumed to in Andalucia. Basically, my neighbourhood emptied out as people left to go visit their families in the pueblos. There were a few processions but nothing even close to what goes on down South. I used to curse Semana Santa when I lived in Andalucia, and it didn't help that my band of local friends didn't care for it either. But now that I don't "have it", I kind of miss it!!



edguerin -> RE: Bass in Flamenco (Mar. 29 2016 10:21:15)

In the two last PdL concerts I attended, harmonica and pianica sounded pretty flamenco (to my great astonishment)



Aretium -> RE: Bass in Flamenco (Jul. 30 2016 21:51:59)

"flamenco" who the fk cares. Carles kicks ass. Anything Carles does is gold. If you want flamenco go listen to cante.



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Piwin -> RE: Bass in Flamenco (Jul. 31 2016 2:59:38)

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"flamenco" who the fk cares


Turns out, a lot of people care.

I find if funny how on this thread there seems to be some idolizing of certain musicians. No matter how good the musician, shouldn't you learn to appreciate music on your own? There is no musician out there of whom I could say "anything he does is gold".



Aretium -> RE: Bass in Flamenco (Jul. 31 2016 20:05:35)

No i meant who cares if it is "Autentic Flamenco". Authentic flamenco exists elsewhere and is best live.

Everything Carles did with Paco I found very good and interesting. Of course he has bad stuff too.



Piwin -> RE: Bass in Flamenco (Aug. 1 2016 5:24:50)

Got it. I was just splitting hairs, or, as the French expression goes, "f...king flies" (no idea where we came up with that expression... [:D]).



sim999 -> RE: Bass in Flamenco (Aug. 1 2016 19:49:48)

Absolutely love the work that Carles has done with Paco. I love his tone and his personal way of playing the bass. The duet on Monasterio de Sal is legendary for me. I'm not a fan of bass in flamenco but in the "sextet context" it was a great addition and added depth to the music. I feel the same way regarding the double bass in Gerardo Trio. However there are many albums particularly 70, 80s albums that have indeed a really ****ty bass & drums sound.

I prefer Carles playing over Alain Perez playing in the sextet.

Great intro to Entre Dos Aguas (45:40) with a nice tone there :



Anyway, the man is a legend :)

A really great album with double bass is the last one by Pepe Habichuela and Dave Holland (2010)
The recording has a really great production. Really good work by dave on it (and by Pepe of course).

YouTube sound sucks so you better buy it !



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BarkellWH -> RE: Bass in Flamenco (Aug. 1 2016 21:35:35)

I just find a bass in a flamenco performance annoying. in my opinion a bass interferes with, rather than complements, the flamenco guitarists and diminishes the overall quality of the performance.

Bill



jamh2000 -> RE: Bass in Flamenco (Aug. 2 2016 12:00:06)

I absolutely love Benavent to be honest. I think he's the most underrated bassist ever (other than Jeff Andrews) and I think he added a lot of depth and colour to the Paco band. Alain Perez could groove, but he wasn't the genius Benavent was with the band, not that that's much of a criticism. When it comes to fretless bass, I think it's a fine line- Jaco was not 'farty', but a lot of those who've copied his style are- too much midrange, powerful pickups, active eq. My overall view is I don't think bass really works with pure Flamenco- the dry guitar sound is so much part of it, but it definitely has a place in fusion and rock crossover. Why there is so much fretless farting is beyond me, however.



Aretium -> RE: Bass in Flamenco (Aug. 2 2016 13:09:05)

I wish Carles played more and did more solos. I loved the farty noise he brought in on some tracks. I am not really that familiar with other bassists and the use of farty fretlesses.

I adore Jaco though, definitely up there as one of my favourite musicians.



JohnWalshGuitar -> RE: Bass in Flamenco (Aug. 2 2016 13:17:27)

To be honest I can't stand the guitar in flamenco. It should never have been introduced as an accompaniment instrument. Things were much purer when singing was done on its own. Bloody modernisers



Piwin -> RE: Bass in Flamenco (Aug. 2 2016 13:24:02)

Nah man, it wasn't the guitar, it was even before that. Real puro flamenco was ruined by those damned cantaores. It was so much better when flamenco was just about knocking your knucles on a table [8D]



JohnWalshGuitar -> RE: Bass in Flamenco (Aug. 2 2016 13:27:38)

You're right! I hadn't thought of that. In fact it's the human interference in flamenco that I really dislike now that think of it



Piwin -> RE: Bass in Flamenco (Aug. 2 2016 13:30:15)

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In fact it's the human interference in flamenco that I really dislike


[:D][:D][:D]



BarkellWH -> RE: Bass in Flamenco (Aug. 2 2016 14:05:12)

You want modern? You want fusion? Forget the bass. Forget the harmonica. The coolest of the cool would be a flamenco guitarist backed by a Javanese gamelan ensemble. Javanese gamelan has the added advantage of reaching its present form under the Majapahit Empire, and the singer, known as a sindhen, was and is heavily influenced by Indian music and singing (traces of gitano origins?). A guitarist as part of a gamelan ensemble backing a Javanese cantaor singing letras in Old Javanese. Now that's fusion.

Bill



Morante -> RE: Bass in Flamenco (Aug. 2 2016 14:35:44)

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You want modern?



Forget flamenco puro: this is what the Andaluces really like[;)]

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jamh2000 -> RE: Bass in Flamenco (Aug. 2 2016 15:21:29)

Fine. Since there is clearly a clamour to modernize I recommend we incorporate the Theremin into Flamenco immediately- it could do the cante part.



sbalderrama -> RE: Bass in Flamenco (Aug. 8 2016 17:53:35)

I want somebody to use one of these.



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BarkellWH -> RE: Bass in Flamenco (Aug. 8 2016 18:25:15)

Oh no, sbalderrama, a mariachi and his guitarron! That's all we need is mariachi-flamenco fusion! I will make a full confession here. As much as my family has been tied to Mexico, and as much as I have traveled in Mexico, like things Mexican (especially the food!), and like much of the music of Mexico, I am repelled by Mariachi music. I find Mariachi music loud, noisy, busy, and boring. For me, it is the antithesis of listening enjoyment, best relegated to a a college bar on that faux Mexican holiday Cinco de Mayo celebrated in the U.S., and accompanied by scores of college students drinking their Corona beer with the lime stuck in the lip of the bottle, which they think makes the holiday more "authentic."

I'm not opening this up for debate or argument. Just stating how it affects me.

Cheers,

Bill



Piwin -> RE: Bass in Flamenco (Aug. 8 2016 18:55:48)

You could probably smuggle a few Condes through the border inside one of those. Just saying... [8|][8D]



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