estebanana -> RE: How many languages do you speak?? (Mar. 8 2016 22:25:35)
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On Japanese "pitch accent" see: 高低アクセント Apparently it exists in Kagoshima as well. See: "Handbook of Japanese Phonetics and Phonology," ed. Haruo Kubozono, section 4.4., "Dialectal Differences." The book is apparently overreaching. I did an in depth inquiry with good Kagoshimians around me and they all said there is no such thing as pitch accent to determine a words definition. They said it is possible that a particular person might have that as an affectation, but that there is no accent or pitch that changes the meaning of a word. They all said Japanese is Japanese and that there might be regional accents, but they don't change word meanings. Example in Osaka hashi might have a tiny stress and a shortening on the end of the word that seems like a pitch change, but really it is too subtle to make much about. They also said there is no way in hell that that is a definition modifier. Words that are different and special regional words for nouns are common, especially things like animals and plants. And well known nick names of things, or a species of fish might have four names each regional, Arakabu in Kagoshima is Gashira in Osaka ben and Kasago in Tokyo etc. But pitch accent gets a resounding thumbs down from the educated locals/ Just curious about the 9mm because one of my customers hates Hillary Clintons guts, is a fluent Japanese speaker, and plays flamenco. You seemed to fit the profile until you deny you own a 9mm. I like Hillary Clinton always have, and hate guns mostly, speak gramatically screwed up Japanese, which amuses them to no end. But the customer 9mm-san and I get along pretty well. In fact he is the only person I really trust who carries a weapon. He is a former police weapons range instructor so know he won't accidentally shoot himself or me, and he carries his everyday gun in a square canvas bag that looks like a kid lunch box with a strap. This is reassuring because he does not think he is Seripco, or Kojack, or Dirty Harry like most deluded fools to carry in public with a body holster ready play out some scene from a movie. ------------------------------------------------------------ http://people.ucsc.edu/~ito/papers/2015_ito_mester_unaccentedness_in_japanese.pdf Excerpt from a PDF on this topic: For Japanese, accentual minimal pair sets like háshi 'chopstick', hashí 'bridge', and unaccented hashi 'edge' illustrate this point, cf. also sets like ínochi 'life', kokóro 'heart', atamá 'head', and unaccented karada 'body'.4 Not all pitch accent languages allow unaccented words. Besides Japanese, they are permitted, for example, in Irakw, Somali (both Cushitic), and Northern Bizkaian Basque According to native speakers this is pure unadulterated bovine droppings. Hashi is Hashi and context determines definition, when in doubt ask which the speaker means.
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