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DavRom -> Niño Miguel's snare drum (Jan. 12 2016 23:35:36)

another thread reminded me i wanted to ask about this...

I'm curious...you know on the lower strings, how did he do it?



BarkellWH -> RE: Niño Miguel's snare drum (Jan. 13 2016 0:30:33)

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another thread reminded me i wanted to ask about this...I'm curious...you know on the lower strings, how did he do it?


It is accomplished by crossing the fifth string over the sixth, holding them in that position with the left hand, and with your right hand performing a modified rasgueo that has the tempo of a snare drum. Carlos Montoya did just that with his rendition of "Saeta," which was a pretty good approximation of the music accompanying the Easter procession in Seville.

Bill



Dudnote -> RE: Niño Miguel's snare drum (Jan. 13 2016 0:48:10)

Sabicas used to use that too, for example at 1:12:13 here



DavRom -> RE: Niño Miguel's snare drum (Jan. 13 2016 0:49:36)

yes, the processions, that's what i was imaging when i first heard it

and i just tried it, crossing the strings...that's it. i couldn't see it in the videos

thx!



DavRom -> RE: Niño Miguel's snare drum (Jan. 13 2016 1:06:14)

thx for the video! late Sabicas tho so...

who was the first ever to record using that device?

very clever



Goldwinghai -> RE: Niño Miguel's snare drum (Jan. 14 2016 12:29:19)

That piece is called Los Sitios de Zaragosa. David Moreno recorded it in one of his LP's in the 60's or so. I believed he pulled the 6th string over the 5th at the 7th fret. I used to able to play this piece for my friends in college. But not anymore, fingers are too stiff!



BarkellWH -> RE: Niño Miguel's snare drum (Jan. 14 2016 13:43:04)

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who was the first ever to record using that device? very clever


I don't know, but Carlos Montoya was using the "snare drum" effect (crossing the fifth string over the sixth) to play "Saeta" in the 1950s. I think Carlos had been playing it for a long time, but as to who first "recorded" it, or who first employed it as an effect in his playing, can't say for sure.

Bill



Santiago -> RE: Niño Miguel's snare drum (Jan. 20 2016 1:05:39)

Francisco Tárrega (1852-1909) employed the snare drum technique in his composition "Gran Jota", so the technique has been around awhile.
Check out this video at 6:40:



DavRom -> RE: Niño Miguel's snare drum (Jan. 20 2016 1:38:43)

LOL @ myself

i love Tarrega, but i've never liked that particular piece so i never listened thru to the end (not that i can remember anyway). very effective use of the technique. excellent performance by Rafa, btw

maybe this dates back to someone like Mudarra. ha!

seems flamenco has a lot to thank for. probably goes both ways tho

thx for sharing!



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