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Leñador -> RE: Vicente Amigo New Album in Spring (Jan. 11 2016 22:51:12)

Un dicho no mas, gotcha, makes sense.

I would never say Vicente can't do something. I'm sure he could do anything, he's a virtuoso. Just saying big and aggressive isn't his trademark. Silky smooth is his trademark and he's amazing at it.



DavRom -> RE: Vicente Amigo New Album in Spring (Jan. 11 2016 23:38:47)

^^^^
yeah, I have to agree, on the whole that is what he is


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ORIGINAL: DavRom

well, the word trueno (thunder) was not used. however, sonaba a rayos can be underststood as "he kicked ass" (or for the kiddies nowadays, "he was the s.h.i.t")

it's a figure of speech not to be taken literally

albeit, i would say his playing can be explosive, like his rageo morote which can be super duper fast, steady and loud (not unlike Antonio Rey)



Sr. Martins -> RE: Vicente Amigo New Album in Spring (Jan. 11 2016 23:44:23)

He has control over his dynamics and at times he is VERY agressive... but his action is so low that you can clearly hear his guitar choking. [:D]

Love that sound BTW.



DavRom -> RE: Vicente Amigo New Album in Spring (Jan. 12 2016 0:08:55)

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ORIGINAL: Sr. Martins

...his action is so low that you can clearly hear his guitar choking. [:D]

Love that sound BTW.


i'm curious, can you please point me to an example of his guitar choking you speak of?

i bought a guitar last spring (classical, not flamenco) and it would choke with the high tension strings i've used for years (Hannabach 815) and i did not like that at all. it sounds 100x better with low tension strings (Aranjuez Suave 800, which i've never used before). Also, the action on this guitar is a bit higher than normal for classical guitars, I asked the luthier to do that



Sr. Martins -> RE: Vicente Amigo New Album in Spring (Jan. 12 2016 0:17:26)

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i bought a guitar last spring (classical, not flamenco) and it would choke with the high tension strings


That's not the kind of choking I meant.

Try lowering your flamenco guitar action to 2mm and you'll know what it sounds like.



DavRom -> RE: Vicente Amigo New Album in Spring (Jan. 12 2016 0:23:53)

i don't have a flamenco guitar (yet! and i would leave the action to a proper luthier anyway)

so, please point me so i know what you mean

--or anyone one else who knows what Sr. Martins talking about

thx!



Ricardo -> RE: Vicente Amigo New Album in Spring (Jan. 12 2016 11:17:39)

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ORIGINAL: DavRom

i don't have a flamenco guitar (yet! and i would leave the action to a proper luthier anyway)

so, please point me so i know what you mean

--or anyone one else who knows what Sr. Martins talking about

thx!


he means when a guitar is played super hard the strings slap against the frets rather than vibrate freely.



DavRom -> RE: Vicente Amigo New Album in Spring (Jan. 12 2016 23:29:24)

cool. thx!

yeah, I love that rattle too. so i guess he meant choking the vibration (?). that's one thing that really attracts me to flamenco that you don't hear in other genres with guitar, very percussive guitar playing

k...carry on with Vicente

new thread ideas: Gerardo's new album? Antonio's? etc... ;)



Mark2 -> RE: Vicente Amigo New Album in Spring (Jan. 12 2016 23:38:15)

I think of it as a growl which happens when he plays hard rhythm. He goes from super smooth and all sweet tone to badass heavy compas with that GROWL at will. He's a tremendous artist IMO.



DavRom -> RE: Vicente Amigo New Album in Spring (Jan. 12 2016 23:41:12)

wait, aren't you talking about something else?

i thought the growl came from the guitar's acoustics, the build design, not setup necessarily (low action as described above...2mm)

(again, i don't have a flamenco yet)



Leñador -> RE: Vicente Amigo New Album in Spring (Jan. 12 2016 23:48:33)

Pretty sure it's a combination of factors action being one of them that makes the difference between a guitar growling and a guitar just sounding buzzy.



DavRom -> RE: Vicente Amigo New Album in Spring (Jan. 13 2016 0:21:54)

maybe the luthiers will come around and help here

hell, i have no clue now



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Stu -> RE: Vicente Amigo New Album in Spring (Jan. 13 2016 16:05:32)

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I anticipated catching hell for my opinion of Vicente earlier in this thread, Ricardo, but there it is.


seems like you wanted to catch hell.

you were ignored the first time around with this

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I agree, Lenny. I know I will catch hell for this, but Vicente's playing is pretty anodyne, in my opinion. Not much to get excited about.


then went for more with this....

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Vicente Amigo is neither up to the standards of the past greats--Sabicas, Paco de Lucia, et.al,--nor the current up and comers like Antonio Rey. Vicente Amigo is an anodyne guitarist who is competent, but not great. His playing is the flamenco equivalent of elevator music.


It seems perhaps youve only listen to a couple of his recent albums??

While I definitely enjoy his early stuff more I think he's a true artist. Just like paco and gerardo etc he didnt just churn out flamenco album after flamenco album he explored other music and instruments and sounds. he's changing and expressing himself in different ways all the time. as he grows so does his art, this is the true measure of a great musician. reinvention. growth. reaching new people all the time.

anodyne?!?! Jesus christ guy! listen to De mi Corazon al Aire and remember that was recorded in 1991 when he was 24!!!



Stu -> RE: Vicente Amigo New Album in Spring (Jan. 13 2016 16:08:14)

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but there are always hidden flamenco gems in the rest of the albums.


hell yeah Shroomy!! Autorretrato with Enrique Morente!!?? POW!! deep!



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Cloth Ears -> RE: Vicente Amigo New Album in Spring (Jan. 13 2016 16:43:46)

His zapateado 'Vivencias Imaginadas': I mean, just anodyne and boring. I fall asleep listening to such derivative, lazy, pseudo twangy clap trap.

I hope he doesn't write such dull music ever again.

Know that your place is the elevator, Vicente! [8D]

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Seriously though: I have not even listened to anything he has done since 'Momento en Sonido' (with its dull Farrucca *yawn*), because I am in too much awe of his abilities.

That said, he owes much to Sanlucar, PdL and the other luminaries before (but who here does not?).

I look forward to reading the reviews here, because it is too painful hearing such musical excellence, always a kick up the arse to practice harder!



El Rey De los Bagres -> RE: Vicente Amigo New Album in Spring (Jan. 13 2016 18:36:02)

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ool. thx!

yeah, I love that rattle too. so i guess he meant choking the vibration (?). that's one thing that really attracts me to flamenco that you don't hear in other genres with guitar, very percussive guitar playing

k...carry on with Vicente

new thread ideas: Gerardo's new album? Antonio's? etc... ;)


Listen to this Bulerias, lots of hard rasgueos might give you a idea.




PetrucciFan -> RE: Vicente Amigo New Album in Spring (Jan. 13 2016 21:50:22)

Hey guys,
I think Vicente Amigo would sound a lot better when he would play with a pick. There are no doubts that artists like Al di Meola get a richer tone out of their guitars than V. Amigo. His songs are also quite boring, I mean compare it to Dream Theater tracks e.g.



DavRom -> RE: Vicente Amigo New Album in Spring (Jan. 13 2016 22:44:02)

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ORIGINAL: El Rey De los Bagres

Listen to this Bulerias, lots of hard rasgueos might give you a idea.





thx for that!



Andy Culpepper -> RE: Vicente Amigo New Album in Spring (Jan. 13 2016 23:56:20)

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Vicente is an incredible player and I actually can't think of anyone who can imitate his style- it's such a combination of natural talent, skill and uniqueness. His rhythmic playing is fearsome and his accompaniments are sensitive and creative. I personally do think some of his later compositions are a bit 'anodyne' as you put it. But as a player...blinding.


100% this... Vicente is/was an absolute monstruo, although his latest work is obviously intended to be more popular oriented.
Check out his accompaniment of El Pele and solo albums up through the 90s. His guitar playing is unbelievably expressive.



Leñador -> RE: Vicente Amigo New Album in Spring (Jan. 14 2016 0:11:24)

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Hey guys,
I think Vicente Amigo would sound a lot better when he would play with a pick. There are no doubts that artists like Al di Meola get a richer tone out of their guitars than V. Amigo. His songs are also quite boring, I mean compare it to Dream Theater tracks e.g.

Well obviously this is all %100 accurate but pobres flamencos can't afford picks. [:D]
That's why The Strokes is more popular than Manolo, they can afford picks. [:D]
Hilarious.....



Sr. Martins -> RE: Vicente Amigo New Album in Spring (Jan. 14 2016 0:49:55)

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Well obviously this is all %100 accurate but pobres flamencos can't afford picks.
That's why The Strokes is more popular than Manolo, they can afford picks.
Hilarious.....


You're joking but I kinda have to agree with him.

It's not like we're still playing guitar in caves with no electricity.. how long will it take for flamencos to update their guitars? Squier starter packs are pretty cheap..



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DavRom -> RE: Vicente Amigo New Album in Spring (Jan. 14 2016 1:42:33)

LOL

great sense of humor around here

no fun when fans take themselves too seriously

BTW, those Squires are great...I have 3 of them and a fourth being built just for surfing



Leñador -> RE: Vicente Amigo New Album in Spring (Jan. 14 2016 3:15:20)

They are great! I use one to keep a hallway door open, works brillieantly! [:D]



cantejondo38 -> RE: Vicente Amigo New Album in Spring (Jan. 14 2016 3:25:12)

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His songs are also quite boring



Pure Genius!
[:D]

I agree with Shroomy on how he builds momentum in his bulerias.



Richard Jernigan -> RE: Vicente Amigo New Album in Spring (Jan. 14 2016 3:54:01)

We'll see. Just bought a ticket for a performance here in Austin, March 23. He'd better be good: 80 bucks for the ninth row in a big hall, Dell Hall in the Long Center. Place is already nearly sold out.

RNJ



Grisha -> RE: Vicente Amigo New Album in Spring (Jan. 14 2016 4:01:48)

If I could play like Vicente I would be very very happy.



JasonM -> RE: Vicente Amigo New Album in Spring (Jan. 14 2016 4:48:38)

Vicente in a live setting... Freaking incredible! I enjoyed his concerts even more than Paco and Tomatoe [:-] Hopefully he will play material from this up coming new album, I'd be less excited about Tierra. It wasn't worth a 5 hr trip to New York and $250 a ticket!

I love the way he incorporates space in his playing, in compas sections the way he plays with space - rasguado sounds more dramatic.

Regarding some of his less traditional stuff, I agree with Stu- he has put out a lot of good material already so let him try new new things. Although I am always hoping to be blown away by insane an insane bulerias on each new album.



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