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DavRom -> Percussion for practice (Oct. 4 2015 19:55:02)
i want to make some percussion tracks for practice i've been googling (to no avail) for tutorials on percussion (cajon etc) for solea and other palos anyone know a good flamenco percussion website that explains their role?

chester -> RE: Percussion for practice (Oct. 4 2015 19:59:20)
Keep in mind that the percussion instruments are emulating palmas (hand-claps). Your best bet is to learn the different patterns that have been established for each palo. Here's something to get you started - http://ravennaflamenco.com/metronomes/solea

DavRom -> RE: Percussion for practice (Oct. 4 2015 20:14:00)
oi! of course i'm learning the palos. metronome is not what i'm looking for (i have one) i want to build some realistic/fun percussion tracks to practice to

chester -> RE: Percussion for practice (Oct. 4 2015 20:20:26)
quote: explains their role Dude.. you're going to have to learn how to teach yourself stuff. Listen to the metronome -> analyze/transcribe what you hear -> abstract it into some sort of a theory -> apply it to different situations -> boom you understand their 'role'

DavRom -> RE: Percussion for practice (Oct. 4 2015 20:36:11)
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Leñador -> RE: Percussion for practice (Oct. 4 2015 22:43:09)
You gotta understand that based on the nature of the questions your asking we can see you've got some preconceived notion that there is a clear and simple answer. Most things in flamenco have no such clear answer. There's a ton of right ways to do things and a ton of wrong ways and even some overlapping in betweens where even famous players would disagree with each other. Percussion for solea for example, there's a whole school of people who would have a heart attack at the very thought of anything other than knuckles on a table for solea. Then people who think some palmas is totally fine and I'm sure there's even a high end player out there somewhere who thinks there's nothing wrong with a little cajon. There's even tons of people who don't think the cajon or any percussion instruments of any kind belong anywhere in flamenco even in tangos or bulerias. You see, no one can really teach you this stuff, you kinda just have to see all that's out there and come to your own conclusions best you can. That being said there are things that are just flat out wrong. That aside, your best bet for "percussion tracks" is probably Jason's "Dr. Compas".

DavRom -> RE: Percussion for practice (Oct. 4 2015 22:57:45)
oi! more of the same presumptions i give up :(

c -> RE: Percussion for practice (Oct. 4 2015 23:50:26)
http://www.flamenco-compas-builder.com/?page=buy&language=en

DavRom -> RE: Percussion for practice (Oct. 5 2015 0:01:22)
^^^^ i have that and it's cool, but i don't like the presets when i learn more about flamenco percussion i'll program my own presets

Dudnote -> RE: Percussion for practice (Oct. 5 2015 2:06:15)
quote: ORIGINAL: DavRom anyone know a good flamenco percussion website that explains their role? Foroflamenco has hundreds of old threads on palmas and compas. Have you tried the search function? The only reason to have more of a percussionists point of view would be for technical pointers regarding playing a cajon or whatever. There are DVDs out there for flamenco cajon - not to mention real cajon teachers and palmas workshops. Multi-track recorders (with built in click tracks) are great for putting together your own palmas loops. On the occasions I've done this I've been surprised / horrified how many retakes it has taken to get something really tight. I once got talking to a jazz drummer after a gig at the Sunside club in Paris. When I asked him about what made the biggest impact on his playing in his early days he said his first teacher would just put on records and tell him to play along. Why don't you try that?

Leñador -> RE: Percussion for practice (Oct. 5 2015 3:19:11)
quote: oi! more of the same presumptions i give up :( You're the one presuming holmes. "Oi, that's not the answer I wanted so your an ****!"

ToddK -> RE: Percussion for practice (Oct. 5 2015 8:52:13)
quote: i give up : Always a good option for a douche like yourself.

payaso -> RE: Percussion for practice (Oct. 5 2015 9:47:39)
The percussion-only tracks of the ‘Solo Compás’ series of CDs could be useful – and these and the 'Ritmo Flamenco' series of CDs have been commended on the Foro previously. But perhaps these are also not what DavRom is looking for?

Blondie#2 -> RE: Percussion for practice (Oct. 5 2015 10:47:18)
quote: ORIGINAL: payaso The percussion-only tracks of the ‘Solo Compás’ series of CDs could be useful – and these and the 'Ritmo Flamenco' series of CDs have been commended on the Foro previously. IMO Great for realistic backing at fixed tempo, not so flexible for practice unless you want to spend time in your DAW chopping, stretching and looping etc. TBH there have been dozens of percussion and palmas audio loops at different tempos posted in the Foro over the years, it used to be quite a regular thing to swap loops years ago. Import into a DAW, copy it out and away you go. I used to go this route but now Lenador's suggestion (Dr Compas) is the way to go, it really is a no brainer if you want to spend your time on actually playing rather than audio editing. Great sound quality, easy interface and it even improvises which certainly makes things fun ...and there's that recent free Android similar app that does a similar job. Learning how flamenco percussion is put together in order to lay down your own percussion tracks in order to have something to play along to, to learn flamenco guitar is a very long way round to go about things IMO.

Ricardo -> RE: Percussion for practice (Oct. 5 2015 12:06:17)
quote: ORIGINAL: DavRom i want to make some percussion tracks for practice i've been googling (to no avail) for tutorials on percussion (cajon etc) for solea and other palos anyone know a good flamenco percussion website that explains their role? wow man...type in the foro seach box "compas loops" and have at it. Where the F have you been googling???? [:D]

mark indigo -> RE: Percussion for practice (Oct. 5 2015 12:59:45)
quote: i want to make some percussion tracks for practice i've been googling (to no avail) for tutorials on percussion (cajon etc) for solea and other palos anyone know a good flamenco percussion website that explains their role? your question was you wanted something about "percussion for soleá and other palos" and to "explain their role" Lenador posted you a really good reply explaining the role of percussion in soleá and other palos quote: Percussion for solea for example, there's a whole school of people who would have a heart attack at the very thought of anything other than knuckles on a table for solea. Then people who think some palmas is totally fine and I'm sure there's even a high end player out there somewhere who thinks there's nothing wrong with a little cajon. There's even tons of people who don't think the cajon or any percussion instruments of any kind belong anywhere in flamenco even in tangos or bulerias. you asked, and someone took the time to answer you with some of your recent questions it's like you are asking for short answers to questions that have really long answers, or you are asking for short cuts when actually the shortest route to the desired goal is to take the time to do a lot of listening and learning

mark indigo -> RE: Percussion for practice (Oct. 5 2015 13:02:26)
quote: The percussion-only tracks of the ‘Solo Compás’ series of CDs could be useful – and these and the 'Ritmo Flamenco' series of CDs have been commended on the Foro previously. IMO Great for realistic backing at fixed tempo, not so flexible for practice unless you want to spend time in your DAW chopping, stretching and looping etc. I often use them, if you have soleá, soleá por bulerías, bulerías etc. you have a range of tempos already, but it's realy simple to just play one track in windows media player and use the enhancements/play speed settings to slow down or speed up to desired tempo without bothering to edit soundfiles etc.

Blondie#2 -> RE: Percussion for practice (Oct. 5 2015 14:29:13)
quote: ORIGINAL: mark indigo but it's realy simple to just play one track in windows media player and use the enhancements/play speed settings to slow down or speed up to desired tempo without bothering to edit soundfiles etc. True, I guess I had in my mind recording oneself with the loop, as part of the learning process or to upload here etc. But also I find WMP pretty limited with regard to tempo control. Not like you can set it to play at 180 bpm, for example, then notch it up to 187.

Sr. Martins -> RE: Percussion for practice (Oct. 5 2015 14:54:33)
You don't have to edit anything with Reaper. Just throw your audio in there and adjust the Rate slider, you can even right click to "preserve pitch". Best sound quality too as it uses a good algorythm.

Mark2 -> RE: Percussion for practice (Oct. 5 2015 15:40:02)
Guy is a troll.......

El Kiko -> RE: Percussion for practice (Oct. 5 2015 18:45:35)
quote: Solo Compás’ seconded ... a good thing to have for percussion , accompanying etc ... you can download them or find bits of them on you tube as well I put them in ,,MAKING WAVES so i can adjust the tempo a bit ... i used to make my own with it too using real time sampled stuff . but its too much work and time consuming and really its already been done for me , so i just down load .. i sometimes use an app on my mobile called...OLE COMPAS which is basic and ok , mainly handy cos it portable , so i can just pick up guitar in any room switch it on and play ... dont forget to play .. not much mention of playing here , its good to have the compas in your head too ....

DavRom -> RE: Percussion for practice (Oct. 5 2015 21:01:31)
quote: The percussion-only tracks of the ‘Solo Compás’ series of CDs could be useful – and these and the 'Ritmo Flamenco' series of CDs have been commended on the Foro previously. But perhaps these are also not what DavRom is looking for? no, that does indeed sound very interesting. i will look into it thx!

DavRom -> RE: Percussion for practice (Oct. 5 2015 21:06:29)
quote: i sometimes use an app on my mobile called...OLE COMPAS which is basic and ok , mainly handy cos it portable , so i can just pick up guitar in any room switch it on and play ... that also sounds interesting thx! a little prodding goes a long way

DavRom -> RE: Percussion for practice (Oct. 5 2015 21:16:09)
yo fellas i used google's site function to search this forum and it was "slim pickings" (google always does a better job than the local search function). i also searched the web in general the few loop threads that came up had even fewer resources, one or two extracted loops yeah i do indeed want to know what cajon players etc are doing. the lazy "short answer" presumptions don't help. i have a full time teaching job and still i come home and play for a few hours each day, weekends included if my Qs bother you then don't bother...move on

DavRom -> RE: Percussion for practice (Oct. 5 2015 21:18:54)
quote: You don't have to edit anything with Reaper... Ableton's algo is quite good too. i use both

mark indigo -> RE: Percussion for practice (Oct. 5 2015 21:38:06)
quote: if my Qs bother you then don't bother...move on it's not the questions that bother, it's your responses to the answers people take the time to give you

El Kiko -> RE: Percussion for practice (Oct. 5 2015 21:40:14)
quote: the few loop threads that came up had even fewer resources, one or two extracted loops i dont know why your search is so bad ... go to youtube type in SOLO COMPAS and tons come up type it into any search bar and they all come up for download at 4shared.com within about 5 mins i found enough loops and stuff for a lifetime .... ??? same with the cajon ,,cajon lessons , cajon tutorial , how to play the cajon . cajon rhythms , solo cajon ., cajon por bulerias ... phew ... i think you'll find we nearly all have full time jobs by the way ...

DavRom -> RE: Percussion for practice (Oct. 5 2015 21:58:32)
quote: type in SOLO COMPAS and tons come up... shame on me, i didn't try YT <embarrassed> anyway i was searching things like "flamenco loops" (got guitar loops, not what i want) and "palos percussion" SOLO COMPAS! thx Kiko! p.s. of course most of us work FT for a living but apparently some jump to conclusions based on what, a forum post?!

mark indigo -> RE: Percussion for practice (Oct. 5 2015 22:09:20)
quote: i want to make some percussion tracks for practice i've been googling (to no avail) for tutorials on percussion (cajon etc) for solea and other palos anyone know a good flamenco percussion website that explains their role? at risk of yet another facepalm, have you seen this? (check Vicente's weird seat at 4:12) http://www.deflamenco.com/tienda/producto/dvds-de-flamenco/el-cajon-flamenco-de-paquito-gonzalez-2dvd-partituras.html if you don't know Paquito Gonzalez from tons of collaborations/recordings etc. he is also percussionist on the Ritmo Flamenco series, vol 9 is his percussion tracks: http://www.amazon.co.uk/Ritmo-Flamenco-Rhythm-Comp%C3%A1s/dp/B004J8GLDY/ref=sr_1_2?ie=UTF8&qid=1444083239&sr=8-2&keywords=paquito+gonzalez

DavRom -> RE: Percussion for practice (Oct. 5 2015 22:17:06)
found on Spotify too

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