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Ahmed Flamenco -> paduk is driving me crazy (Aug. 29 2015 20:46:37)

guys
I'm working on 2 paduk sides ,they are too stiff and very hard to bend they also had cracks while I was trying to bend them,this may be because they are 3 mm thick, I'm using a mold with heat gun.
what should I do for this?!



Jeff Highland -> RE: paduk is driving me crazy (Aug. 29 2015 21:31:18)

-Bend at 2mm
-Get a proper bending iron, the heat gun with it's high air flow will be drying the timber too much



Ahmed Flamenco -> RE: paduk is driving me crazy (Aug. 29 2015 22:13:59)

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the heat gun with it's high air flow will be drying the timber too much

can I use it but a bit away from the wood?



Jeff Highland -> RE: paduk is driving me crazy (Aug. 29 2015 22:30:53)

You can do whatever you want but it is a really, really bad way to do it.
Moving the gun further away will not help.



Ahmed Flamenco -> RE: paduk is driving me crazy (Aug. 29 2015 22:49:26)

I got the idea from this video



Jeff Highland -> RE: paduk is driving me crazy (Aug. 29 2015 22:57:46)

There is a lot of garbage on Youtube. You are wasting your time and materials with this method.



Ahmed Flamenco -> RE: paduk is driving me crazy (Aug. 30 2015 8:15:50)

anyway,can I make a good use of this mold?



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Jeff Highland -> RE: paduk is driving me crazy (Aug. 30 2015 9:07:43)

It would work with a lightbulb (incandescent) heat source



Ahmed Flamenco -> RE: paduk is driving me crazy (Aug. 30 2015 11:08:24)

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It would work with a lightbulb (incandescent) heat source

how would be the setup?



Jeff Highland -> RE: paduk is driving me crazy (Aug. 30 2015 11:21:25)

I don't do it that way, I use a heating blanket, but search for "fox bender"



Stephen Eden -> RE: paduk is driving me crazy (Aug. 30 2015 13:57:48)

Ahmed use your heat gun to heat the inside of a metal pole. That will help you bend better. There are plenty of examples of this on YT.

Also use 2mm sides! at the right tempreture it well bend like butter



Ahmed Flamenco -> RE: paduk is driving me crazy (Aug. 30 2015 21:02:59)

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Ahmed use your heat gun to heat the inside of a metal pole.

how is this?
quote:

There are plenty of examples of this on YT

do you have the link?



Andy Culpepper -> RE: paduk is driving me crazy (Aug. 31 2015 0:19:15)

Yep don't think it's possible to bend at 3mm. I thin out my sides until I can hold them in the middle and get the "right amount" of flap when I shake them back and forth. It's fun to do and you get the right thickness literally every time. For reference I usually get about

1.8 or 1.9 Cypress
2.0 Indian Rosewood and Padauk
2.25 Maple



constructordeguitarras -> RE: paduk is driving me crazy (Aug. 31 2015 5:54:22)

Yes, as you've been told, 3 mm is too thick to bend. I make sides 1/16" thick which is 1.59 mm. Luckily, there are commonly available circular saw blades this thickness that can be used for cutting the slots in the neck that the sides will go into.



Stephen Eden -> RE: paduk is driving me crazy (Aug. 31 2015 11:53:21)

I don't know where Ahmed I have been shown some in the past where guys have used blow torches and such to achieve the same thing.

I bought an Ibex bender.



Ahmed Flamenco -> RE: paduk is driving me crazy (Aug. 31 2015 13:00:49)

Andy, Ethan
using heat gun is wrong?



Stephen Eden -> RE: paduk is driving me crazy (Aug. 31 2015 13:12:23)

Lol ok not that I really have time to run around for you but here it is a heat gun bending iron. 2 minutes on google and I found this a few more minutes and I'm sure you could find 20 more of these!

You will not get a good heat distribution across and through the side just using a gun. Plus the risk of setting fire to your sides surely must go up!



constructordeguitarras -> RE: paduk is driving me crazy (Aug. 31 2015 14:41:59)

I've never tried using a heat gun. Nothing is wrong if it works.

How I tell if my bending iron is hot enough: I drip water on it and the drops boil off immediately.



Jeff Highland -> RE: paduk is driving me crazy (Aug. 31 2015 22:28:55)

Yep, pancake pan temperature.

Wood bends best with some moisture in it (but not too much especially on curly wood) and this moisture would be swiftly removed by direct airflow from a heat gun.



Andy Culpepper -> RE: paduk is driving me crazy (Aug. 31 2015 23:41:15)

If you search around online you can find clever and cheap bending iron setups, I know you can use a toaster element or even light bulbs.

The hotter the better up to about 400F or so, above that you will get scorching on lighter woods. I can always tell it's hot enough when the wood "gives up" and lets me bend the waist easily. And a spritz of water helps a lot (do it on both sides for tighter bends).



estebanana -> RE: paduk is driving me crazy (Sep. 1 2015 0:44:03)

Put two pieces of burning charcoal in a tube clamped in vice.

Bending iron, old Spanish style. Or Italian or whatever.



constructordeguitarras -> RE: paduk is driving me crazy (Sep. 1 2015 1:43:52)

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Put two pieces of burning charcoal in a tube clamped in vice.

Bending iron, old Spanish style. Or Italian or whatever.


Have good ventilation to avoid carbon monoxide poisoning!



keith -> RE: paduk is driving me crazy (Sep. 2 2015 22:19:14)

I noticed no one suggested Irving Sloane's method of putting wood into heated water to get it pliable enough to bend. Is this method dead?



jshelton5040 -> RE: paduk is driving me crazy (Sep. 2 2015 22:52:44)

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ORIGINAL: keith

I noticed no one suggested Irving Sloane's method of putting wood into heated water to get it pliable enough to bend. Is this method dead?

The problem with that method is it results in buckling. The sides rarely stay flat when you put them on the form to dry. A old fashioned bending iron is by far the easiest and safest way to bend sides however there is a learning curve involved. One needs to learn how to set the temperature, etc. I've used a propane torch heated homemade bending iron for about 50 years and wouldn't even consider anything else.



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