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constructordeguitarras -> Japanese Seafood (Jul. 27 2015 23:34:25)

I thought I would start a new thread to further the discussion about changes in the sound of guitars over time, since the other one seems to have evolved into a discussion of Japanese seafood.[:D]

I just want to add that I don't advocate pre-cooking soundboards. I like it when a guitar keeps sounding better as time goes on. Maybe guitars made with pre-cooked wood will end up sounding worse than they did initially.




LeƱador -> RE: Japanese Seafood (Jul. 27 2015 23:58:23)

Wait, I'm confused do I talk about Poke here or there? [:D]




constructordeguitarras -> RE: Japanese Seafood (Jul. 28 2015 0:31:07)

Actually, maybe in the Off Topic section would be best.




Stephen Eden -> RE: Japanese Seafood (Jul. 28 2015 9:53:01)

Off topic! I was wondering where having a good chat about guitar making might be applicable! I'll go check that out




constructordeguitarras -> RE: Japanese Seafood (Jul. 28 2015 13:06:33)

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Stephen Eden -> RE: Japanese Seafood (Jul. 28 2015 13:54:11)

Just a quick one. I once had a good opportunity to play one of my guitars before and after it was played in a concert. What a difference an hour of playing makes! Although the guitar then reverts back once it hasn't been played for a few hours.




crooksj5 -> RE: Japanese Seafood (Jul. 31 2015 5:20:48)

I have really noticed this as well with new instruments. Since the guitar reverts back to a tighter less lively sound after not being played for a while obviously something is happening to allow the vibrations to travel more freely when being played in... But I'm curious what that is: Is it changes in the soundboard, relaxing of the bracing and forces on the instrument or a combination of both.
I have been curious about this for a while too

I don't think it's magic
Or is it......




keith -> RE: Japanese Seafood (Jul. 31 2015 16:38:52)

One school has peeing on soundboards to improve them; another promotes soaking in borax; another promotes toasting the wood and then there is the harvest during the full moon school. I can only imagine what will be next. It would be interesting to read if any serious scientific studies have been done.




constructordeguitarras -> RE: Japanese Seafood (Jul. 31 2015 17:11:44)

This all puzzles me, because great guitars are made without any of these tricks. And I doubt that one of these tricks by itself would ensure a great or even good guitar. It reminds me of people wanting to lose weight without doing anything other than taking a pill.




estebanana -> RE: Japanese Seafood (Aug. 1 2015 2:34:56)

One of the problems with evaluating these properties is it boils down to 'he said - she said' logic.

People believe what they want to believe. There's no empirical proof that instruments improve, yet we all know they somehow get better. To compare or share ideas sets up the problem that one maker thinks one way and another thinks another way. There is no scientific proof one way or another, and if there was, someone would say I don't believe in the science.

Talking about the way guitars play in is like talking about religion, it's more a belief system more than a factual thing you can chart very accurately by an empirical method. Part of this is what does constitute a well playing in instrument? Everyone has a different opinion.

One thing is profound however, baking tops has been market proven to make them more resistant to climactic changes and they are more stable. Whether or not an accelerated drying process will adversely effect a guitar top sound wise is unproven both by direct observation over a long period of time and empirically by scientific analysis of old tops with a control of non baked tops.

To state anything else is just opinion and pure speculation. But opinion and pure speculation are what makes the guitar world go around.

The real question is does baking a top make it any different that top that has been sitting around for 25 years? I just hand planed a top that was set up top dry in 1992. It seems much more "mature" than the other top sitting next to it at 4 years of drying. How do we really know that baking a top is damaging to a piece of wood if the baked top and the 25 years dried selection exhibit the same feel of maturity?

I think this is all builders voo-doo, opinion, speculation and that no body really knows. Dry woods are essential for making guitars and until there is hard empirical fact that baking the wood is a problem I see no reason to think it is. Baked tops have been used in the guitars of major brands like Martin and Taylor for years without any backlash in the buying or dealer community. The market place so far has shown there are no problems with top degradation.

How many more years will it take to be sure? Five, ten, fifty, never? There is no standard to test by.




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