Harmonizing in the Phrygian Dominant (Spanish Phyrgian) mode (Full Version)

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siliconsoniquete -> Harmonizing in the Phrygian Dominant (Spanish Phyrgian) mode (Jul. 20 2015 17:12:20)

If I were writing a harmony (say on an interval of thirds) in A Phryigian, I would be working in the Mixolydian mode right?

So if I'm harmonizing with a falseta in Spanish Phyrgian, does the same rule apply?

Hopefully this question make sense.



Sr. Martins -> RE: Harmonizing in the Phrygian Dominant (Spanish Phyrgian) mode (Jul. 20 2015 17:23:53)

Doing straight diatonic harmonization of a phrygian line in thirds results in mixolydian but that thinking won't work in flamenco for many reasons.

If you're thinking about harmony, go chord by chord and adapt your melodic lines to that or vice versa. Analyze/practice that and you'll understand the whole thing better instead of trying to make a rule with 1000 exceptions.



siliconsoniquete -> RE: Harmonizing in the Phrygian Dominant (Spanish Phyrgian) mode (Jul. 20 2015 17:36:50)

That makes sense. I guess I wasn't looking for a hard and fast rule, but are there basic guidelines to follow?

Also could you explain why that line of thinking doesn't work in Flamenco? Just trying to learn. Thanks!

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ORIGINAL: Sr. Martins

Doing straight diatonic harmonization of a phrygian line in thirds results in mixolydian but that thinking won't work in flamenco for many reasons.

If you're thinking about harmony, go chord by chord and adapt your melodic lines to that or vice versa. Analyze/practice that and you'll understand the whole thing better instead of trying to make a rule with 1000 exceptions.



Ricardo -> RE: Harmonizing in the Phrygian Dominant (Spanish Phyrgian) mode (Jul. 20 2015 21:40:23)

Flamenco as a music genre has very important rules which keep things from escaping the form structure in terms of creativity... It can be complicated or simple depending on specifics. Let's ignore that for now and address the basic general music theory question I think you are asking.

So say you have this "Spanish Phrygian" melody:

A Bb C C# D E / F E D Cnat C# Bb repeat

You are looking for diatonic thirds so you have options depending on the color your ear prefers:

1. C# D E E F G / A G F E E D repeat

That is most correct harmonically but we have two E notes instead of fluid melodic movement. You can experiment with these options for a more exotic color:

2. C# D Eb E F G / A G F Eb Enat D repeat

3. C# D E F F# G / A G F# E Fnat D repeat

4. C Db Eb Enat F G / Ab G F Eb Enat Db repeat

And lots more so experiment



Ricardo -> RE: Harmonizing in the Phrygian Dominant (Spanish Phyrgian) mode (Jul. 20 2015 22:36:30)

Forgot to add the 6ths example (could also be 3rds below depending on octave position)

E F G# A Bb C# / D C# Bb G# A F repeat

Some fourth intervals there by necessity but here is another option:

F# G G# A Bb C / Db C Bb A Bb G repeat

Occasionally you find a cooler melody than the one you started with... I like this last one best.

And for final craziness pick at random from each example and mix em up:

F# D Eb Fnat Bb C# / Ab Cnat F# Anat Fnat Db repeat!!!



siliconsoniquete -> RE: Harmonizing in the Phrygian Dominant (Spanish Phyrgian) mode (Jul. 20 2015 23:05:44)

Thanks! Very helpful. So could you think of this as an Ultralocrian mode? Or is that still oversimplifying.



Ricardo -> RE: Harmonizing in the Phrygian Dominant (Spanish Phyrgian) mode (Jul. 20 2015 23:07:56)

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ORIGINAL: siliconsoniquete

Thanks! Very helpful. So could you think of this as an Ultralocrian mode? Or is that still oversimplifying.

Forget modes cuz this music uses changing accidentals and chromatics to harmonize...modes stick to a specific unchanging scale and static harmony/drone or vamp concepts



Sr. Martins -> RE: Harmonizing in the Phrygian Dominant (Spanish Phyrgian) mode (Jul. 21 2015 2:07:42)

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Also could you explain why that line of thinking doesn't work in Flamenco? Just trying to learn. Thanks!


Sure, here's the reason:

quote:

Forget modes cuz this music uses changing accidentals and chromatics to harmonize...modes stick to a specific unchanging scale and static harmony/drone or vamp concepts


Thanks Ricardo [:D]



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