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sorin popovici -> m-golpe and a-golpe (Jan. 5 2006 2:51:01)

Been practicing m-golpe in alzapua , and seems to be more rapid
than a-golpe.It gives u more stability.
The thing is that my m-golpe is smth i do automatic already,

Now I would switch to a-golpe ,but it's not that easy ...i mean
I have no idea what impact will have on solea arpeggiosthings like that.Got to relearn it all....that's too much.

Nunez plays m-golpe...now I cant speculate how much this helps
to balance properly the hand in alzapua ,but seems to help ...
and I say that after one practice session.

I hate relearning things (Todd is an m-golpe player I think)
((sure, u will say ...not important ,the music it's important .
Yeah,maybe ...then also strict alternance in i-m in picado is not important.
Maybe u can do it at slow tempo,in whatever way u want it ...but if u want it
a little faster,some things are not negotiable IMHO))

Gerhard Graf Martinez I've heard also teaches m-golpe,besides a-golpe.
What i wanna know is from your experience u also need m-golpe and a-golpe,or
one type is enough ?And if one is enough ,which do u think it's better ?



gshaviv -> RE: m-golpe and a-golpe (Jan. 5 2006 3:53:49)

I typically do ma golpe (both fingers). Find that it gives more impact while protecting the nails more.



sorin popovici -> RE: m-golpe and a-golpe (Jan. 9 2006 0:33:06)

Thanks for the reply Guy....I dont do ma golpe,but I think it's true that it does
protect the nails a little helper ...still I dont do it cause I'm working on finger
independence now.


Helllooooooo.........please ,one more reply ..I'll settle for two replies(not counting mine
ofcourse [:D](i had to say it ,i'm afraid this thread will also go fast offtopic [:D])

look ...I wave with my hand!



Miguel de Maria -> RE: m-golpe and a-golpe (Jan. 9 2006 1:37:51)

Sorin,
amigo, please do not switch to a golpe. Trust me, your technique will never recover! Don't go there!


:)))



sorin popovici -> RE: m-golpe and a-golpe (Jan. 9 2006 1:47:36)

what do u mean...I'm doing a-golpe ,u mean not switch to m-golpe?


Cause I would wanna try it ,Nunez does m-golpe ...so I'm
think to switch,I'm not discussing the music ..that's subjective
but I'm thinking his technique should be may be a standard.

So ,what do u mean?(I'll just listen,dont know what I'm gonna do,I have to
have some opinions on this,and then try to see how would be a good
aproach for me)

the thing is ...if I switch to m-golpe ,i have to relearn some things...and
that's a pain..

Thanks for replying Miguel,I am interested in your experience with this.



Miguel de Maria -> RE: m-golpe and a-golpe (Jan. 9 2006 2:38:08)

Sorin,
I was just joking with you. Why don't you try it? I have tried picado ten differnet ways, I have sat paco style, classical style, sabicas style, old-fashioned style, I have used amii for alegrias, or camii, I have used all thumb alzapua, wrist alzapua, I have anchored, I have not, I have practiced stacatto, I have practiced legato. I have studied classical theory, I have dabbled in jazz theory. I have worked out figured bass like in Bach's time, I have learned Paco pieces by ear, I have learned some from other guitarists. I have practiced solfege with the fixed do and the moveable do.

You have to try these things out for yourself and see if they work for you. The fact that great players have come from each different way proves that they each can work. Maybe I try too many things, but in the end we are all self-taught.

This is not something like asking directions in a foreign city--this is the process of learning how to read a map. You just have to do it yourself.

A quote from that book I recommended, Zen Guitar: "Don't ask, practice."

You think I'm being hard on you, but once of these days you're going to listen to me and it will really help you out.



sorin popovici -> RE: m-golpe and a-golpe (Jan. 9 2006 2:52:20)

quote:

I have tried picado ten differnet ways, I have sat paco style, classical style, sabicas style, old-fashioned style, I have used amii for alegrias, or camii, I have used all thumb alzapua, wrist alzapua, I have anchored, I have not, I have practiced stacatto, I have practiced legato. I have studied classical theory, I have dabbled in jazz theory. I have worked out figured bass like in Bach's time, I have learned Paco pieces by ear, I have learned some from other guitarists. I have practiced solfege with the fixed do and the moveab


Damn.....ok,got to do some practice!



larone -> RE: m-golpe and a-golpe (Jan. 9 2006 3:09:17)

I think there's so many possibilities for alot of the techniques in flamenco. I personally think it's sound related. for example i do A-golpe but have started to switch to M-golpe depending on the effect i want. M-golpe i think is softer and i use it for solea but i use A-golpe for bulerias and alegrias. All these different techniques lend themselves to expression of the individual player. the more technique you have, the more expressive you can be. I hope this helps, i say learn both.
See ya
Larone



sorin popovici -> RE: m-golpe and a-golpe (Jan. 9 2006 3:30:35)

larone ...that was the answer I was afraid to get ,but I understand ...it's
exactly like u say ....having more means of expression,means more freedom.
Good answer(I was hoping for a easier path,but I guess choosing is never easy)

Miguel,I know this is offtopic ....but I have two books for solfeggios...
I started a while ago,but gave it up .One with moveable do and
and one normal.This one with the moveable do ...seems like cheating,like
not trying the real hard stuff....but sometimes cheating saves time.

What do u recommend moveable or classic way?



Miguel de Maria -> RE: m-golpe and a-golpe (Jan. 9 2006 3:49:01)

Sorin,
I think fixed do is better. It's not that much harder, and I think it might have other great effects. It's kind of the difference of singing 13 1 4 1 5 1 5 as opposed to a c a d a e a e... but you know lots of people will debate this one. I'm not an expert at solfeggio but I think it's a great skill to have.



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