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rickm -> graf martinez remate (Jan. 3 2006 16:44:59)

Just when I thought I was making progress... in the graf martinez videos, in the solea, he does the upward arpgeggio and the remate with a flourish kind of movement with the right hand. I have always done it with more of a arpeggio style. I guess either is correct, but is mine acceptable I guess? I dont know how to annotate it hear so for those without the dvd the question might be lost, but in a standard remate the lines might consist of

--0---------0
---0-----0
----1--1
-----2
it is this inital 0012 that Im talking about, I know how he does it, he loads the fingers on the strings and then pulls them off sequential for a fast flourih. I can do it going down, but not up as he does it. Does it always have to be that sequential flourish or can it be a arpeggio, where you dont load the fingers on the strings, but strike them ??? Hope not too confusing thanks



Francisco -> RE: graf martinez remate (Jan. 3 2006 18:08:05)

I'm having a little trouble following you. Which track are you referring to? 10? He plays 'Manton I' after the remate discussion.

Let me just say, however, i don't think it matters alot of the time how you get the sound as long as your technique sounds good. That being said, if you can play that "upward arpgeggio and the remate with a flourish kind of movement" with your teeth (ala Jimi Hendrix), then go for it - if it sounds good. There are instances where you want to follow the instruction to the letter, a remate with all downward pulgar for instance when you're thumb is not very developed in an attempt to develop better thumb control. Clear as mud? I thought so, enjoy.



rickm -> RE: graf martinez remate (Jan. 3 2006 18:16:35)

what I am referring to is in the manton section. There is an example right after the beginning.
golpe, e chord e7 chord f and then the remate with this flousish as a beginning. I was taugth the movement in a downward motion and I am having trouble adapting to the upward one. I guess I can re teach myself, but is it worth the trouble. Is it truly a flamenco movement that is expected, or it is just mr graf martinez putting a elan into the study??



Jon Boyes -> RE: graf martinez remate (Jan. 3 2006 18:21:08)

This is a little confusing as I think you have down and up mixed up [:)]
In your above tab, the initial arpegio 0012 is a descending arpeggio, thats down from 1st string to 4th. You say you can do it down but not up...

Anyway, I think you mean you cannot roll a descending chord. This is done by sequentially preparing each finger in quick succession as the previous finger plays: plant A on the 1st string, then pluck A whilst M prepares on string 2, then pluck M whilst I prepares and so on. See pumping nylon for the details on this. An ascending arpegiato (rolled or broken chord) is played with a full plant and for most people its easier to do.

Does it matter if you don't do it? No, as long as your remate is in compas, but these flourishes are a trademark of the flamenco sound, particularly in Solea, so its worth studying the technique.

Careful about over doing it though. I used to practice these fast rolled chords over and over and ended up with focal hand dystonia. Its one thing practicing a technique that 'gels' the fingers together, buts its important to work on things that separate the fimgers out to (eg scales/alternations).

HTH.



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