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JasonM -> Vicente at age 16 (Apr. 24 2015 14:47:19)



Here he is playing on his Gerundino I would guess. It's the only video I've ever seen where he isn't playing pieces his first album. What a prodigy.



jg7238 -> RE: Vicente at age 16 (Apr. 24 2015 15:01:54)

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http://youtu.be/8tC-6HiqTjc

Here he is playing on his Gerundino I would guess. It's the only video I've ever seen where he isn't playing pieces his first album. What a prodigy.


Wow, thanks for sharing. Even at 16 he was really amazing back then.



rombsix -> RE: Vicente at age 16 (Apr. 24 2015 15:03:57)

Wowwwwwwwwwww! Thank you for posting this! He sounded so much like Tomate/PdL at that time. He clearly had not yet developed his voice, even though I could hear a bit of his favorite picado runs. Great find man! How did you come across this? [:D]



tijeretamiel -> RE: Vicente at age 16 (Apr. 24 2015 15:26:52)

He looks less like Tom Hiddlestone there and more like Justin Bieber.

Great find though. At 16 he's a finer player than most after a lifetime of playing.

Great talent.



Sr. Martins -> RE: Vicente at age 16 (Apr. 24 2015 15:32:26)

Mr. Fancy Pants..

I wonder who was kneeling in front of the hostess right at the beginning... and what would he/she be doing.. hmm...



JasonM -> RE: Vicente at age 16 (Apr. 24 2015 15:42:37)

Well you know I was just dusting off old reels in the basement ;)

he's alright. I'm totally better then 16 year old Vicente. Actually, if I was playing that well at 16 I'd probably be bored too by age 48 and put out something different like Tierra.

I'm betting once he got his Reyes he couldn't stop playing the treble strings.



tele -> RE: Vicente at age 16 (Apr. 24 2015 16:07:45)

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ORIGINAL: jg7238

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http://youtu.be/8tC-6HiqTjc

Here he is playing on his Gerundino I would guess. It's the only video I've ever seen where he isn't playing pieces his first album. What a prodigy.


Wow, thanks for sharing. Even at 16 he was really amazing back then.


I think for some reason geniouses rarely improve with time, they are born awesome!



Leñador -> RE: Vicente at age 16 (Apr. 24 2015 16:23:52)

Geez, what musicality at a young age. I feel like I can definitely hear the Vicente voice already.....



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JasonM -> RE: Vicente at age 16 (Apr. 24 2015 22:43:58)

I wish Vicente would let me come over and shoot some more YouTube videos of him playing at his house. Maybe a documentary or something

I thinks it's cool to see what material he was playing before he composed his own stuff. Kinda allows me to identify more as a student.



Sr. Martins -> RE: Vicente at age 16 (Apr. 24 2015 22:56:33)

Vicente's "legendary bulerias" [:D]


I would like to see videos of him composing and doing his demos at the computer.



minorthang -> RE: Vicente at age 16 (Apr. 25 2015 1:07:28)

thats was great really nice too see him performing a classic set of bulerias lots of tomatito in there - nice sound and not phased at all but playing live



machopicasso -> RE: Vicente at age 16 (Apr. 27 2015 9:35:52)

That's fascinating. He sounds more like (a 16 year-old virtuoso approximation of) Paco than he does himself in even his first album. And no wonder: his first studio album wouldn't appear for another eight years.

Now, I'm curious to see clips of him playing between ages 16 and 24.

Here's one from '89 (i.e. six years later), and for the left ear [;)]




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davidheis_24 -> RE: Vicente at age 16 (May 5 2015 5:51:59)

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ORIGINAL: tele

quote:

ORIGINAL: jg7238

quote:


http://youtu.be/8tC-6HiqTjc

Here he is playing on his Gerundino I would guess. It's the only video I've ever seen where he isn't playing pieces his first album. What a prodigy.


Wow, thanks for sharing. Even at 16 he was really amazing back then.


I think for some reason geniouses rarely improve with time, they are born awesome!


i was gonna reply and say there are no geniuses, that its just a misconception that people imagine, that when you pull back the curtain on their lives youll see they werent actually "born" exceptionally good, but youll see a lot of environmental factors and hard work and dedication and opportunity and competitive spirit, but i looked up the definition of genius and i think we tend to over-idolize this concept, which usually happens when people dont fully understand something, they tend to come to some mystical, spiritual intangible conclusion. the definition-

- an exceptional natural capacity of intellect, especially as shown in creative and original work in science, art, music, etc.:
the genius of Mozart.
Synonyms: intelligence, ingenuity, wit; brains.
2.
a person having such capacity.
3.
a person having an extraordinarily high intelligence rating on a psychological test, as an IQ above 140.
natural ability or capacity; strong inclination:
a special genius for leadership.
Synonyms: gift, talent, aptitude, faculty, endowment, predilection; penchant, knack, bent, flair, wizardry.


so actually you could classify a lot of others here as so called "geniuses" too!!! how many 'geniuses' out there who are stuck in go no where life who just didnt have the environment where they could build on their strengths? but if the same person was born and raised in the right environment and was allowed to flourish becomes a 'master', but he was just born that way right? no. a seed has to be planted in good soil otherwise it wont grow strong, doesn't matter how good the genes of the seed are, we are captive to our environment



davidheis_24 -> RE: Vicente at age 16 (May 5 2015 5:59:06)

so people who would get de-motivated and think 'why should i bother because you have to be born that way', dont give up, there is no mystery here



Ricardo -> RE: Vicente at age 16 (May 5 2015 11:26:55)

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ORIGINAL: davidheis_24

so people who would get de-motivated and think 'why should i bother because you have to be born that way', dont give up, there is no mystery here


Paco points out the quotes from Stravinsky, that great artists borrow from each other, and the "geniuses" simply steal their ideas DIRECTLY from some source. [;)]



Miguel de Maria -> RE: Vicente at age 16 (May 5 2015 20:03:59)

The idea that the "geniuses" peak at 16 is ridiculous.



trebol17 -> RE: Vicente at age 16 (May 6 2015 7:00:06)

Thanks so much for this. Vicente playing tomatito falsetas white 16 years.



minorthang -> RE: Vicente at age 16 (May 6 2015 7:56:53)

its really nice just seeing these guys playing in the raw -- 16 that is an incredible - playing for an audience so calm - lovely work seeing pdl play when hes younger is awesome too - i guess its just amazing seeing someone play with out the bells and whistles



Paul Magnussen -> RE: Vicente at age 16 (May 6 2015 16:51:52)

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there are no geniuses, that its just a misconception


If anyone’s interested in a professional psychologist’s view of this subject, there’s a good, careful book by Hans Eysenck, which includes a great deal about music (Eysenck was a big Beethoven fan — his father-in-law was a famous ’cellist).

http://www.amazon.com/Genius-Creativity-Problems-Behavioural-Sciences/dp/0521485088/ref=sr_1_1?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1430930892&sr=1-1&keywords=eysenck+genius



davidheis_24 -> RE: Vicente at age 16 (May 9 2015 7:18:58)

http://www.amazon.com/s/ref=nb_sb_noss_2?url=search-alias%3Dstripbooks&field-keywords=10000%20hours&sprefix=10000%2Cstripbooks



orsonw -> RE: Vicente at age 16 (May 9 2015 8:00:36)

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http://www.amazon.com/s/ref=nb_sb_noss_2?url=search-alias%3Dstripbooks&field-keywords=10000%20hours&sprefix=10000%2Cstripbooks


http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0160289614000087

http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/journal/01602896/45/supp/C



Paul Magnussen -> RE: Vicente at age 16 (May 9 2015 17:31:22)

So you think the important difference the difference between Paco de Lucía and Ramón is that Paco practised more, is that right?

And likewise with Sabicas and Diego?



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