Ricardo -> RE: 'Das experiment' on gipsy/payo voices. (Feb. 6 2015 14:55:27)
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ORIGINAL: jmb Thanks for your reply guys. I just explain why my questions. I think it is a really interesting question. Obviously, as you say, it is a cultural way, not a racial, of understanding music. 'Capullo' is a good example, in the environment of Jeréz where gypsies are integrated with 'payos'. My questions arose from a discussion with a friend, a good aficionado, about a perception that I though it was only mine, but he though the same. It is that outside Cadiz, for example in Madrid or Sevilla where the gipsy community is lees integrated, amateurs flamenco gypsies singers or even children, specially in outcast communities, have usually a beautiful natural 'rajo' despite a worst (or totally unknown) academic technique or skills. For me, this timbres cannot be found in most professional singers (of course, a personal opinion) . As you probably know, this communities conserve an strong Spanish accent and a large number of gypsy words respecting the ‘payo’ community. José Mercé say that, in the last 40 years there are not appear a voice that really hurts and Camarón (a very special voice anyway) talked in some footages about he trained in order to 'aquejar la voz' ... It is really interesting for you point of view! I think you and your amigo are generalizing and finding conclusions that could be incidental. Specific examples would help IMO. I will say there are many people in spain, singer or not, with a rajo voice when simply speaking. In my head I hear these folks and think they would sound nice singing some solea if they knew how. THe simple fact is that most amatures sing with their "talking" voice, and have no understanding of their optimal singing range, and most proffesionals discover a completely different voice they possess that works much better than the other voice for certain situations. For example, Chocolate sings some pop song in Rito y Geografia showing he has a totally different voice he uses for flamenco. Zambo on the other hand I dont' think could sing any other way than he does. Hope that makes sense. Ricardo
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