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duende -> Picado in zapateado maner (Dec. 29 2005 9:43:12)

Hi. It´s not a zapateado just the same sort of rythm in a way.

Play i,m or m,a or i,a. Dont´try to find a "easy" fingering for the triplet pattern the whole point is to play i m i, m i m. (or any finger combo) The melodie is not so tricky
the hard part is to put it togheter with the bass. The string crossing might be tricky to but it wasn´t for me anyway. If you wnat to do it in an easy way play a,m,i,a,m,i all the way
I made this over a year ago at my parents house where i am right now. I just found it on their computer so figure i put it at the foro[:)]


Henrik el egg



DavidT -> RE: Picado in zapateado maner (Dec. 29 2005 20:39:42)

Henrik,

What's zapateado?[:o][:'(]



duende -> RE: Picado in zapateado maner (Dec. 29 2005 22:07:00)

a dance.. Traditional its in C major i think.
Percusion flamenca is a piece from paco de lucia. Vicente amigo also got a zapateado can´t remember the name though.
Zapateado means the "footwork" of the dancer i think



Kate -> RE: Picado in zapateado maner (Dec. 30 2005 12:49:25)

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ORIGINAL: duende
Zapateado means the "footwork" of the dancer i think


It is a specific dance from the mid 19th century from Cadiz and involves cross and counter rhythms which include planta or Golpe which is stamping with the whole foot, media planta which is with the sole of the foot, flas which is scraping the sole of the foot, punta which is with the toe and tacón with the heel. It is performed by men, as well as women who wear trousers and a short jacket. It can also be inserted into other styles. Sometimes the guitar is silent rejoining the performance for the climax. Its a mix between the melody of an alegrías and the rhythm of a tanguillo and is not accompanied by cante. ( Sourced from the the Junta's Guide to Flamenco and Song of the Outcasts by Robbin Totton)

There's a lovely example of it on Emilo Maya's album, called "Tacones de Plata" ( Heels of Silver) you can hear the incredible footwork of Ana Calí.

Kate



duende -> RE: Picado in zapateado maner (Dec. 30 2005 14:23:50)

Kate i bought that book after you mentioned it. Preety good book.
Maybe you can recomend other books (in english!)[:)]


Henrik



Kate -> RE: Picado in zapateado maner (Dec. 31 2005 16:35:12)

The other book I mentioned which is in English is The Guide to Andalusian Flamenco but see it is also available to read online with updates at www.andaluciaflamenco.org I've not had a look at it so if its any good let us know. The only other one I've read which I would reccomend is Don Pohren's Art of flamenco but I guess everyone has already heard of that one.

Kate



Thomas Whiteley -> RE: Picado in zapateado maner (Dec. 31 2005 17:42:04)

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Traditional its in C major i think.


Being from the Traditional School I am accustomed to Zapateado in C, E Phrygian as well as D minor. It is a palo that I associate with dance more so than solo playing but anything goes these days.

I was taught that Zapateado derived directly from the Tanguillo. My teacher (who was from Cadiz) stated that both palos are in 2/4 time with a 6/8 lilt. They have the same feeling but in different keys, with the Tanguillo typically being in A Major.



Thomas Whiteley -> RE: Picado in zapateado maner (Dec. 31 2005 18:00:44)

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Maybe you can recomend other books (in english!)


Queen of the Gypsies - the life of Carmen Amaya - a great book about flamenco!

Look into the cassette tape Queen of the Gypsies. If this does not knock your socks off then you are dead! [:D] It is considered by many to be the best flamenco recording ever made.

A bit about this recording is of interest. The recording was done in Los Angeles and the day of the event Carmen Amaya, her family and Sabicas arrived at the studio. Something was wrong with the feeling so the entire group walked out after just arriving. This upset the studio personnel. The next day Carmen and her group arrived and made the recording in just one take! They then left the studio to enjoy their day.

http://www.flamencobooks.com/

Today it takes about 1 ½ years average to record and 6 months for the studio engineer to edit a new CD. How times change!



Flamenco, body and soul - Juan Serrano



duende -> RE: Picado in zapateado maner (Dec. 31 2005 20:56:14)

i tryed it with a more Tanguillo feel and it was great



Kate -> RE: Picado in zapateado maner (Jan. 1 2006 16:28:09)

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ORIGINAL: Thomas Whiteley
The recording was done in Los Angeles and the day of the event Carmen Amaya, her family and Sabicas arrived at the studio. Something was wrong with the feeling so the entire group walked out after just arriving. This upset the studio personnel. The next day Carmen and her group arrived and made the recording in just one take! They then left the studio to enjoy their day.


That is so flamenco. We've had this experience a few times here but never get upset. Feeling is everything and if it doesn't feel right its better not to waste everyone's time. We've done quite a few recordings in one take, such as the Taller de Compás track with the pianist Pablo Maldonado which is quite amazing as he had only composed it an hour or so before and it sounds so frsh and so alive. ( Its on our website as an MP3 for those who dont have the album)

There's also a great film about Carmen Amaya called Queen of the Gypsies. I didn;t know there was a book as well. Who wrote it ?

Kate



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