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jmb -> RE: Repression of Flamenco in Spain (Dec. 17 2014 12:42:25)
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ORIGINAL: Leñador
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it seems to me that there is too much "I don't care" attitude in at Andalucian people
I hate to say it but I got the same impression when I was there, and from the ones I know who live here. I kind of just wrote it off as "they're musicians, that's how musicians are....."
Yes but the attitude of "I don't care" or ignoring things that other europeans would notice is widespread in andalucia so it's about a whole lot more than just music.
I'm Spanish and have lived for years in other European countries and things here are culture is a little bit different. IMO the important sense of state or community that you can see in other countries is really lessen. Some regions as Andalucía, Extremadura or Castilla-La Mancha has been always specially managed as country houses by the elites, where blue collars can no say to much say for long time and where the economy has been based on low salaries and influences networks and therefore the encouragement of conformity and ignorance. Part of my family worked in ‘cortijos’ and I can assure you that you could not believe the middle-aged conditions of the people there at the same time that other European Countries were building highways. You expect an European country with the mentality of France o UK ... but common people were not there when this mentality was born.
When that has happened for centuries, blue-collars are so tired that they do not care. Now, politicians establish rules like y Germany or Denmark thinking that doing the same we get better, but the problem is mentality where the community sense totally lost ( there is only solidarity), all generally the people try to get advantage of anything.
Concerning flamenco is has been always a pseudo-minority. If you close cultural facilities like a peña to avoid noise, you should open other adequate facilities. But It is not. And flamenco is seen for many people in the North area like a "too much Spanish thing", an oldie thing. For example, in the village close to Madrid where I live if your ask for a public soundproof facility, to rehearse, only for a tocaor and a cantaor and ocasionally, your application is rejected systematically respecting to bad punk rock bands, because you are minority and they are coolest and flamenco is unfairy associated with what is here called “the country of tambourine”, the bad part side of Spain. Musical quality is not important. I could assure than most of the young people outside Andalucía has never been in a serious flamenco concert in Spain.
Manolo Sanlucar has always claimed about the resistance of Spanish Conservatories against flamenco when in foreign countries is well considered. It is know that there are more flamenco academies in Japan than in Spain. Outside flamenco environments, it is very usual Spanish people that say "I like flamenco but only the guitar" or "only bulerias and rumbas" or “dance sevillanas”.
Flamenco ‘jondo’ is a minority expression of this environment and el cante, the 'jondo' (it is really difficult to made foreign people understand how a native Spanish speaker perceive it ) bother people because is a ritual and an ancient expression of undesired and outcast people that could not said nothing in these conditions. Flamenco remember Spanish that people has gone through Hell in Spain, and many people do not like it. A simple siguiriya from a good siguiriyero is one hundred times more lyrically and intense for a native Spanish than the wonderful and so harmonious sound of the guitar of any great guitar fellow including Paco (yeah! heresy)[:-]. May be too much.
And concerning the Spain as ‘empire’... We were only a secondary place where European People that ruled the World built the headquarters. But read or see ‘Alatristre’, it is a good example about the real vision about the ‘empire’ for common people in Spain.
And sorry for the nuisance!
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