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Ricardo -> RE: Moraito Aire (Oct. 19 2014 21:28:24)
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ORIGINAL: machopicasso
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"Jazzy" is not a term I like to use for modern flamenco players generally speaking.
One thing which would help some of us understand what you mean is if you provided some compare/contrast examples of the following:
1) What you would consider to be bona fide jazz-influenced flamenco playing; and
2) Flamenco playing which you think is (or would be) mistakenly labeled as "jazzy".
Can you provide an example of each with respect to, say, Gerardo's recordings?
This topic has been covered way beyond a good kicking to a dead horse. As I have always said, there will be specific applications directly taken from specific jazz artists and infused into say, a falseta....in other cases simply having a "chart" of chords, a repetative chord progression with a "head" falseta which creates a framework over which musicians, flamenco or otherwise, can improvise whilest maintaining compas. When discussing modern flamenco labled too often as "jazzy", these specific examples I refer to are in the vast minority. And as always my counter example of 100% non jazzy yet modern flamenco is the music of Manolo Sanlucar post tauromagia.
Some Gerardo examples, Gallo Azul it's all puro buleria till the end when he has the repeat chord progression he improvises over. Same deal with his Solea por buleria on Andando del tiempo, the only 'Jazz" part is the improve section...if that section did not exist or was avoided from the performance, there is no need for a "Jazz" adjective whatsoever. Other examples have elements of Brazillian style progressions or playing, faletas here or there, that I always have argued as specifically NOT jazz related. Others argue Brazillian guitar is ALL jazzy. [8|] Any way, it misses the bigger point I have tried to make. Finally, there is alot of "latin jazz" or "salsa" influence, again I consider a different than proper "Jazz" genre...gerardo's rumba on andando del tiempo or "flamencos en nueva york" are specific examples. In terms of percentages, in the bigger picture of the repertoire and style of Gerardo, it can be frustrating that these few examples have given him (in the past) the label as a "jazzy flamenco" composer and player, while at the same time overlooking what specifically and more generally is totally JEREZANO about his toque.
To add, the impressionistic classical influence on Jazz players need not mean we now hear the modern flamenco influenced by jazz...we already have things like the de Falla influence directly bypassing Jazz artists. I am always happy however to acknowledge specific musical examples. Remember even Paco recorded an entire album of de Falla's music BEFORE he learned any super locrian scales and applications from Mclaughlin.
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