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britguy -> Darkening colour of guitar face? (Sep. 16 2014 21:59:09)

I recently acquired a very nice custom-built blanca with a very pale - almost whitish - natural-coloured face. The guitar is about ten years old, and is lacquer-finished.

The colour is a bit anemic for my taste, and I'd like to see the face a little darker and yellower than what it is currently.

Is there any way to do this short of re-finishing?



n85ae -> RE: Darkening colour of guitar face? (Sep. 16 2014 23:30:57)

Just let it sit where it get's sunlight and it will tan. Don't let it bake, but in a sunny
room, and over time it should darken. I like the look they develop from that, and
I have several guitars that are "tanned".

Myself, having had multiple skin cancers, I'm a bit sun shy so I wear a hat ...

Regards,
Jeff



Leñador -> RE: Darkening colour of guitar face? (Sep. 17 2014 0:08:50)

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Just let it sit where it get's sunlight and it will tan. Don't let it bake, but in a sunny
room, and over time it should darken. I like the look they develop from that, and
I have several guitars that are "tanned".


Really????? That doesn't sound right at all.....
My experience is wood bleaches in the sun...........
Clear finishes yellow but wood bleaches....



Andy Culpepper -> RE: Darkening colour of guitar face? (Sep. 17 2014 2:16:03)

Exposure to light and oxidation will darken light wood, especially Spruce. Direct, unfiltered sunlight will bleach darker woods, not actually sure what it would do to Spruce.
I would not recommend placing a guitar in direct sunlight, simple light exposure and oxidation will do it.



Anders Eliasson -> RE: Darkening colour of guitar face? (Sep. 17 2014 8:28:54)

It surprises me that its still so white after 10 years.
Normally all spruce oxidate with time and gets a very beautifull (my taste) light amber color which is very deep and where things like medular rays and bearclawing jumps out in a very "natural" way..
Do as Andy says, as close to sunshine without being directly in the sunshine.



keith -> RE: Darkening colour of guitar face? (Sep. 17 2014 11:40:46)

you can use a ultraviolet bulb to speed up the process. it is difficult to get good sunlight on a guitar without sticking it in the window or placing it outside. with autumn here and winter coming soon it will be more difficult.



gerundino63 -> RE: Darkening colour of guitar face? (Sep. 17 2014 17:37:38)

A guitar in a case wiil stay light for a long time. I got my Gerundino when is was kept for 18 years in a case it was quite white.
I played it and let it out and it darkens quite fast. About two or three years.

In winter it is a good time to let the guitar in the sun. Behind glass, if the humidity in your room is ok.
The uv that colours the wood or paper etc. Gets trough glass.
The uv. That give ou a tan will not get through glass.
The guitar will not warm up much and because the sun is low it is mostly easyer to shine in the room/house.



britguy -> RE: Darkening colour of guitar face? (Sep. 17 2014 19:57:03)

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It surprises me that its still so white after 10 years.


Actually, Anders, it surprised me too. It has almost a slight 'pinkish' hue.

When I saw it in the sellers photo it looked like a warm yellow. So when I opened the case I was surprised. I wondered if perhaps lacquered guitars behaved differently from french-polished?



Escribano -> RE: Darkening colour of guitar face? (Sep. 17 2014 20:01:58)

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I wondered if perhaps lacquered guitars behaved differently from french-polished?


My cheap, poly Bernal blanca has become more golden over time, that is why the sticker I had on it for a while still shows its silhouette.



Leñador -> RE: Darkening colour of guitar face? (Sep. 17 2014 20:02:06)

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When I saw it in the sellers photo it looked like a warm yellow. So when I opened the case I was surprised. I wondered if perhaps lacquered guitars behaved differently from french-polished?

Or if you potentially got the wrong guitar?



britguy -> RE: Darkening colour of guitar face? (Sep. 17 2014 21:55:24)

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Or if you potentially got the wrong guitar?


I just KNEW someone would say that!

(No, I got the right one alright. Just looked rather different from the photo. Doesn't matter, plays really well - for me anyway. . .)



jshelton5040 -> RE: Darkening colour of guitar face? (Sep. 17 2014 22:15:15)

many lacquers have UV blockers so exposing it to sunlight may have minimal effect. Of course you could always have someone spray a color coat on it. It would require at least three light coats since you have to put clear coats over the color before polishing.



Andy Culpepper -> RE: Darkening colour of guitar face? (Sep. 17 2014 22:41:50)

Photos sometimes don't capture guitar finish coloration very well, depends on the angle too.

If the guitar was left in a case for a long time it wouldn't get much air or light. It will probably develop a nice patina pretty quickly if you have it out regularly.



Leñador -> RE: Darkening colour of guitar face? (Sep. 17 2014 22:57:20)

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I just KNEW someone would say that!

lol just throwin it out there [:D]
Plays & sounds well is the big one....



Ricardo -> RE: Darkening colour of guitar face? (Sep. 18 2014 2:40:03)

just leave it with me and my friends for a few weeks. [;)]



estebanana -> RE: Darkening colour of guitar face? (Sep. 18 2014 10:07:32)

Non suntanned guitar = First World Problem!!!!! ~ [:D]



britguy -> RE: Darkening colour of guitar face? (Sep. 18 2014 14:28:18)

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just leave it with me and my friends for a few weeks.


I want it a little darker - not bloodstained. . .



rojarosguitar -> RE: Darkening colour of guitar face? (Sep. 19 2014 7:26:03)

Spruce darkens with exposure to sunlight - this is my long time experience. UV bulb probably can speed that up.

I would not try to change the varnish of the top just for the sake of color. You could lose more than you would win. It's funny that one always wishes for something different than one has got. I have bought the guitar for a reason, no?



RobJe -> RE: Darkening colour of guitar face? (Sep. 19 2014 9:05:11)

Anders is right. 10 years is a long time. Most guitars would have darkened naturally in this time.

John provides a possible answer – that the lacquer had a uv blocker in it. I know that you can buy polyurethane lacquer with a uv blocker – nasty stuff to breath in if you spray it. I had it applied to some furniture and it delayed but didn’t eliminate the darkening process.

Perhaps the usual forum speculation could end if you contacted the luthier and asked about the original finish if he hasn’t passed away though inhaling the fumes.



jshelton5040 -> RE: Darkening colour of guitar face? (Sep. 19 2014 14:28:01)

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ORIGINAL: RobJe

Perhaps the usual forum speculation could end if you contacted the luthier and asked about the original finish if he hasn’t passed away though inhaling the fumes.

There are no safe finishes although some like shellac are a little less dangerous than others. Anyone who breaths the fumes is crazy or soon will be. One should always use a respirator, eye protection and a ventilated finishing area. I even get a little dizzy from the vapors produced when sanding cypress.



estebanana -> RE: Darkening colour of guitar face? (Sep. 19 2014 15:08:19)

If whomever owned this guitar before Britguy kept it in case it would not have oxidized much and still be pale.


Leave it out of the case in direct sunlight, it will change.

But I liked that Britguy said it had pink tinge to it. Perhaps I'll start making pink guitars and call them Panther Line Flamencos. And while I'm at I'll also have a Dr. Strangelove model.

________

OH my God! How will we all live with pale goth guitars???



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Ruphus -> RE: Darkening colour of guitar face? (Sep. 19 2014 15:39:19)

With this thread lasting that long, you guys finally made me check out my 8 years old spruce-topped classical guitar. ( Which despite of being a really fine axe has left its case for only a few sessions, and those for most during nights.)

Findings:

Even though hardly seen any light of day the spruce has matured to a golden hue.

That is irony in life.
Me who could care less about oxidation, as I find the brightness of fresh spruce attractive, gets the perfect tan in the dark, whilst lovers of darkened tops get stuck with preserved spruce color.

Ruphus



britguy -> RE: Darkening colour of guitar face? (Sep. 19 2014 21:01:42)

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With this thread lasting that long, you guys finally made me check out my 8 years old spruce-topped classical guitar. ( Which despite of being a really fine axe has left its case for only a few sessions, and those for most during nights.)

Findings:

Even though hardly seen any light of day the spruce has matured to a golden hue.


Interesting. . .

Could it be the secret is something in the case? (?)



tijeretamiel -> RE: Darkening colour of guitar face? (Sep. 19 2014 23:34:55)

Kudos to Senor Banana for being able to reference Elvira in a flamenco thread.

Good work.



estebanana -> RE: Darkening colour of guitar face? (Sep. 20 2014 1:24:47)

Thank you, I've waited years for my chance to put Cassandra Petersen in one of my Foro posts. (And it was not even a sexist reference. *style points* ) [:D][:D]



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