I Need A One Way Ticket from Classical to Flamenco.

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aljabriya -> I Need A One Way Ticket from Classical to Flamenco. (Dec. 13 2005 6:57:36)
Dear All, I'm a Classical Guitar player from Kuwait and wish to learn Flamenco. I already have mastered Rasguedos, Picado, Golpe, Legato, Flamenco Tromolo, Parada, Alzapua...etc. I'm also fluent in music theory. However, I lack Flamenco music theory and need to know how to put it all together. What I'm looking for is direct examples "tabs" and information about: Various Flamenco scales and their harmony. e.g. Por Medio, Por Ariba, the only two I know. Flamenco chords and function of different chords, 7th 6th dim...etc. Flamenco Songs and their forms. Tricks and techniques. I would be grateful it if someone could show me examples "tabs", put me in the right direction and show me what else I would need. Best regards. Aljabriya

Ron.M -> RE: I Need A One Way Ticket from Classical to Flamenco. (Dec. 13 2005 12:37:49)
Aljabriya, Firstly, welcome to the Forum! Secondly....I think you are approaching this from the wrong angle. No amount of tabs will turn you from a Classical player to a Flamenco player. It's an advantage that you have some knowledge of Flamenco techniques, like rasgueado, alzapua etc...but if you can't find a proper Flamenco teacher , you will have to start with one of the DVD/Video/Book courses such as Juan Martin, Oscar Herrero, Graf-Martinez etc. Compás, or rhythm is the core which all Flamenco revolves around, and without a good understanding of this you will never understand the phrasing or rhythm of the pieces you are attempting, regardless of how good your technique is. (Read the post by Phrygus "The Inflation of the term Flamenco") If you search through the archives you'll get some reviews on these DVD/Video/Book methods. Good Luck! It's a long haul, but it's fun! cheers Ron

Florian -> RE: I Need A One Way Ticket from Classical to Flamenco. (Dec. 13 2005 12:47:56)
Hi aljabriya welcome, I agree with Ron no amount of written theory will help you here, u mastered the techniques you say, greate !! now comes the hard part [:D] I think the best source of information to all of your questions is everysingle flamenco cd you can get your hands on. The more you listen the more you hear different things litlle by litlle it will rub off on your playing. You will learn for yourself what works and what dosent, what you wanna use and what u dont, the theory is different for each person.

Jon Boyes -> RE: I Need A One Way Ticket from Classical to Flamenco. (Dec. 13 2005 13:34:44)
I agree with the most part of what Ron and Flo say - an understanding of music theory in the context of flamenco is not the 'magic link' that will just put it all together for you. but I understand how someone with your background might be helped with some theory at least as a 'way in' or to get some kind of handle on it. With that in mind, these should be helpful: http://members.aol.com/BuleriaChk/private/compas/theory/Theory.pdf http://home.comcast.net/~flamencoguitar/Palos.pdf http://herso.freeservers.com/index.html Middle link is from Tom's page, a regular here.

sorin popovici -> RE: I Need A One Way Ticket from Classical to Flamenco. (Dec. 13 2005 15:17:20)
cool theory pdf ,thanks Jon!

aljabriya -> RE: I Need A One Way Ticket from Classical to Flamenco. (Dec. 13 2005 21:25:14)
Thank you all. Ron.M & Florian, you are right. I'm at the wrong end of it. I approached flamenco the same way I study science. I understand what you are saying. Thank you. Would you kindly advise me on whom to listen to? And what to listen to? eg player+piece = eg of a flamenco form. Flamenco, to me, is a foreign language and I need to learn its grammer, vocabulary and phrases. The links by Jon Boyes, much appreciated, are exactly the sort of theoritical info I'm looking for. I build up alot of information on given examples to establish simple basis for the form I'm studying. All flamenco techniques I mastered are right hand techniques that I never used before for classical guitar. I started my comitment to flamenco around March/2005. For example, I spent good three months just learning rasguedos. My sources are limited to some books and a metronome. I see my self as knowing and posessing the ingriedients but unable to cook the dish; flamenco fire is burning me and I'm looking for a recipe. I believe I need to be guided. Thank you again. Aljabriya

Ron.M -> RE: I Need A One Way Ticket from Classical to Flamenco. (Dec. 13 2005 22:24:30)
aljabriya, There is no great secret, or key, or tricks. Flamenco is not a "flavour" you can add in to your playing. This is a substantial "stand-alone" art form that needs no others to support it. My advice would be to get your hands on as many Flamenco CD's as you can get hold of. Not all at once, of course...but maybe one at a time and just listen! Flamenco-World.com and DeFlamenco.com will readily ship to your part of the world. I've ordered lot's of stuff from them and they are highly dependable companies. Get some early Paco de Lucia stuff...solo guitar along with a CD or two of him playing for El Camaron de La Isla". I think this will give you more of a feeling for the thing. cheers Ron

duende -> RE: I Need A One Way Ticket from Classical to Flamenco. (Dec. 16 2005 5:43:51)
I would suggest. Fantasia Flamenca and maybe "solo quiero caminar" to get a traditional and moder sound. some sabicas would be good for more trad sounds. and Paco Peña.

aljabriya -> RE: I Need A One Way Ticket from Classical to Flamenco. (Dec. 18 2005 3:00:44)
Hi all, Thank you so very much.

XXX -> RE: I Need A One Way Ticket from Classical to Flamenco. (Dec. 18 2005 4:13:09)
Hm Imo Fantasia Flamenca can be confusing as a introduction into Paco and flamenco. Fabulosa Guitarra is easier to understand to me and the Camaron stuff is just a Standard and must have! :)

edgar884 -> RE: I Need A One Way Ticket from Classical to Flamenco. (Dec. 27 2005 16:03:27)
Im a beginner myself, but I have some great Theory on Flamenco at my site. Check it out and let me know what you think. http://www.gabrieledgar.com/classroom.html

gshaviv -> RE: I Need A One Way Ticket from Classical to Flamenco. (Dec. 27 2005 17:52:45)
Aljabriya I too started as a classical guitar player and transitioned to flamenco. I agree with Ron who said you are approchaing this the wrong way, and I'll even go further then Ron. Tabs and sheet music is not the right way to learn flamenco, nor is focusing just on technique. I understand where you are coming from and hence why this would be your natural first approach. Flamenco is learned by listening, by following and by feeling. My suggestion is if you can afford it, go to Spain for a few weeks and study with a teacher (I'm assuming flamenco teachers in Kuwait are not something you find in the market...). The next best thing is get a DVD. I would recomend the Oscar Herrero DVDs. If you've already mastered most of the technique you can start with DVDs 4 & 5 which teach Solea. Another good DVD that gives an overview of many palos in the merengue de cordoba DVD. Another suggestion, if you get the DVDs, don't look at the tab books that they come with. Try to learn just by watching the DVD and playing with it. From my experience, getting detached from tabs and notation was a big step towards really feeling the music. Its more difficult, but I think its more rewarding.

aljabriya -> RE: I Need A One Way Ticket from Classical to Flamenco. (Dec. 27 2005 23:21:04)
Dear All, Season's Greetings. I'm grateful to the amount of attention paid to my question. I took your words of advice and expermentd with all what you have suggested. Although it's difficult, I feel I'm progressing. Thank you.

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