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wiking -> Beware the Shubb Classical Capo on a Flamenco guitar! (May 6 2014 4:13:47)

This is less of a review, and more of a warning:

I purchased a Shubb C2K (black, with roller) capo for my Navarro flamenco guitar. I use Shubbs almost exclusively on my electrics and steel-sting acoustics and I've loved them for years, they're the best in the business for these instruments.

HOWEVER:

The Shubb C2k, which is the classical guitar version, has an incredibly hard time accomodating the neck on my flamenco, which is already quite thin by flamenco and certainly classical standards. The capo *can* function up to the 2nd fret (with the tightening screw loosened completely) but beyond that, it is immensely tight. As in, I feel if I use it any more, that the neck arm will indent the wood or mar the finish. This is at the 5th fret. I even tried removing the rubber stopper button from the outside of the neck arm which pads the backside of the clasp when it closes onto the arm.. That didn't do anything. I'm now in the market for a proper cejilla.

I really thought, as a student of flamenco, that the ease of using a Shubb would make it a wise investment. I was sorely mistaken. Cejillas from here on out.

Just a heads up.

CH



Leñador -> RE: Beware the Shubb Classical Capo on a Flamenco guitar! (May 6 2014 4:19:47)

The only capo:
http://0.tqn.com/d/guitar/1/0/Z/w/dunlop-curved-capo.jpg



el carbonero -> RE: Beware the Shubb Classical Capo on a Flamenco guitar! (May 6 2014 9:53:38)

I use the shubb C2 ,and i love it , it's perfect ,work good on all sort of guitars.

I dont understand your problem ?

I put in 1fret or 8 fret ,it's okay .

However, i have the planet waves NS pro ,and he dont work in 1 or 2 fret with flamenca with thin neck ....



estebanana -> RE: Beware the Shubb Classical Capo on a Flamenco guitar! (May 6 2014 9:58:33)

Plus 1 on the Jim Dunlop.

Carbonero Schubbs it up his ___that why it works for him.



orsonw -> RE: Beware the Shubb Classical Capo on a Flamenco guitar! (May 6 2014 10:21:19)

quote:

The only capo:
http://0.tqn.com/d/guitar/1/0/Z/w/dunlop-curved-capo.jpg


Isn't it best to get the straight Jim Dunlop (not the curved one as pictured)?


quote:

i have the planet waves NS pro ,and he dont work in 1 or 2 fret with flamenca with thin neck ....


I have the same problem, otherwise it's a good capo. It doesn't pull the strings out of tune, which makes it very quick to use.



el carbonero -> RE: Beware the Shubb Classical Capo on a Flamenco guitar! (May 6 2014 10:43:15)

Estebanana use a cheap capo,the dunlop .
It's normal because he make cheap guitars



estebanana -> RE: Beware the Shubb Classical Capo on a Flamenco guitar! (May 6 2014 12:05:49)

Carbonero motto: "Shubb it up yours!"

So intellegent.



rojarosguitar -> RE: Beware the Shubb Classical Capo on a Flamenco guitar! (May 6 2014 13:59:54)

I Like PLANET WAVES CAPO CP04NS quite a lot. It can be very finely adjusted and is not much in the way for the left hand.

But of course, Dunlop is great, and the traditional cejillas are great too, especiall those sold by Mundo Flamenco made from Galalith (casein). They are precision worked and the friction of the material is so that it's easy to fasten th cejilla.



Leñador -> RE: Beware the Shubb Classical Capo on a Flamenco guitar! (May 6 2014 15:09:25)

quote:

Isn't it best to get the straight Jim Dunlop (not the curved one as pictured)?

Oh yeah yeah yeah lol, didn't look that close.

Carbonero, isn't it best to use what the pros use most????? [:D]



Morante -> RE: Beware the Shubb Classical Capo on a Flamenco guitar! (May 6 2014 15:40:34)

quote:

Estebanana use a cheap capo,the dunlop .
It's normal because he make cheap guitars


Hola TROLL

This kind of free insult is not welcome. Please find a life.



Ricardo -> RE: Beware the Shubb Classical Capo on a Flamenco guitar! (May 6 2014 15:47:08)

traditional wood with peg cejilla is the best because they look by far the coolest. I always have two on hand in case the string breaks during a show. I find some of these modern alien space age capos offensive.



Escribano -> RE: Beware the Shubb Classical Capo on a Flamenco guitar! (May 6 2014 15:53:53)

quote:

quote:

Estebanana use a cheap capo,the dunlop .
It's normal because he make cheap guitars



Hola TROLL

This kind of free insult is not welcome. Please find a life.


El Carbonero is banned after a warning from me to ignore Stephen's posts and not to post anymore negative stuff. He had his chance but he chose otherwise and won't be coming back.



Paul Magnussen -> RE: Beware the Shubb Classical Capo on a Flamenco guitar! (May 6 2014 16:07:08)

quote:

Isn't it best to get the straight Jim Dunlop (not the curved one as pictured)?


Yes: but you have to be careful to put it on with the end of lever pointing upwards; because if you do it the other way, and your hand hits the lever while you’re playing, the whole thing can go flying off into the audience.

Paco Peña learnt this the hard way in his early days [:D]



etta -> RE: Beware the Shubb Classical Capo on a Flamenco guitar! (May 6 2014 21:20:21)

If we can drop hundreds or thousands for a guitar, what is the big deal with $12-15 for a Planet Wave capo, the best? Have used one for years, no problems, and less problems with tuning. What does a set of strings cost which may last only a few weeks?



Leñador -> RE: Beware the Shubb Classical Capo on a Flamenco guitar! (May 6 2014 21:28:42)

quote:

what is the big deal with $12-15 for a Planet Wave capo, the best?

I don't think that's a unanimous opinion..........I personally think the Dunlop works perfectly well and is the least offensive, I know many pros agree.........



Richard Jernigan -> RE: Beware the Shubb Classical Capo on a Flamenco guitar! (May 7 2014 2:24:29)

quote:

ORIGINAL: Ricardo

traditional wood with peg cejilla is the best because they look by far the coolest. I always have two on hand in case the string breaks during a show. I find some of these modern alien space age capos offensive.


+1

RNJ



estebanana -> RE: Beware the Shubb Classical Capo on a Flamenco guitar! (May 7 2014 2:39:35)

The reason many pros use the Jim Dunlap is because it stays out of the way of doing certain chords. I do like the traditional cejilla, but in a performance situation many pros will also not risk the peg unwinding in the middle of a dancers escobilla.

The Planet waves is good too, I have one, and also a Traditional. But if I were to ever be able to play and work with dancers the Dunlap would be the one I pick. It has a flat profile on top that allows you to move your hand and left wrist up over the top of it to grab the B flat chord that looks like this:

--1
--1
--0
--1
--1
--0

Try that with a peg or knob in your way.

I hope Ricardo does not find this chord offensive or alien. [:D]

But if you were to play for a singer the traditional cejilla always looks very in place.



Leñador -> RE: Beware the Shubb Classical Capo on a Flamenco guitar! (May 7 2014 4:28:41)

Exactly, in fact I plan on making my own super cool cejilla from some super cool exotic woods that I get left over from the hardwood place I regular. BUUUUT practically speaking that dunlop takes the cake, I do this 110110(slightly different from Banansan) chord quite a bit and on the planet waves it's not nearly as comfortable. I've had it and sold it to my steel string buddy.



timoteo -> RE: Beware the Shubb Classical Capo on a Flamenco guitar! (May 7 2014 5:03:40)

I've never tried the Dunlop capo because it's butt ugly so I'd never buy one even if it were the best reviewed capo in existence. The Planet Waves is minimal and unobtrusive and cheap, and works great for me up to about the 7th fret (the fretboard gets too wide past that). I have no problems with estebanana's chord with the Planet Waves.

Of course, nothing beats a traditional cejilla for style, but they are a bit awkward to reposition. A traditional cejilla is like flamenco formal wear, while the PW capo is like blue jeans.



rojarosguitar -> RE: Beware the Shubb Classical Capo on a Flamenco guitar! (May 7 2014 5:08:56)

quote:

ORIGINAL: estebanana

The reason many pros use the Jim Dunlap is because it stays out of the way of doing certain chords. I do like the traditional cejilla, but in a performance situation many pros will also not risk the peg unwinding in the middle of a dancers escobilla.

...


These cejillas made from Galalith (a derivative of casein) have such a tight grip on the peg, I can't imagine them unwinding. If any, there would be rather a problem to loosen the string for shifting. the cejilla...



Leñador -> RE: Beware the Shubb Classical Capo on a Flamenco guitar! (May 7 2014 5:26:16)

quote:

I've never tried the Dunlop capo because it's butt ugly so I'd never buy one even if it were the best reviewed capo in existence. The Planet Waves is minimal and unobtrusive and cheap, and works great for me up to about the 7th fret (the fretboard gets too wide past that). I have no problems with estebanana's chord with the Planet Waves.

Que pues???? The planet waves is larger and obviously more obtrusive. The dunlop is the smallest and most inconspicuous by far. It's tiny, weigh both, measure their mass through liquid displacement, take measurements. The planet waves IS bigger and more obvious. The dunlop IS the capo for the minimalist. The planet waves is like that ugly fin on 1980's art deco apartments. The dunlop is like an A. Quincy Jones house, only what it needs to be to get the job done, just structure.
In other words, you trip pin. lol



timoteo -> RE: Beware the Shubb Classical Capo on a Flamenco guitar! (May 7 2014 5:47:01)

Perhaps we're talking about different capos - PW makes many models. The one I'm referring to is http://www.amazon.com/Planet-Waves-Classical-Guitar-Black/dp/B000OZ981I

80's art deco? Who's trippin' ?

If you wanna talk 80's, the PW is the rudeboy skinny tie, while the Dunlop is the powder blue tux.



estebanana -> RE: Beware the Shubb Classical Capo on a Flamenco guitar! (May 7 2014 6:49:42)

Ladies please!



Leñador -> RE: Beware the Shubb Classical Capo on a Flamenco guitar! (May 7 2014 14:05:30)

Lol I did feel much stronger about it yesterday after a few Jameson's....and that wasn't the planet waves I was thinking of. BUT I stand firm that the Dunlop lays flatter works better and is less noticeable.



estebanana -> RE: Beware the Shubb Classical Capo on a Flamenco guitar! (May 7 2014 14:38:23)

Hmm, whiskey.
Gets the gizmoglobin pumping.



Arash -> RE: Beware the Shubb Classical Capo on a Flamenco guitar! (May 7 2014 15:13:53)

I use a trad. cejilla with peg and have no problem with that chord and/or fast changes between other chords and that chord.

here at 3:15 you can also see an "alternative" way of fingering that chord




Ricardo -> RE: Beware the Shubb Classical Capo on a Flamenco guitar! (May 7 2014 20:18:36)

quote:

I hope Ricardo does not find this chord offensive or alien.



Nope. Arash beat me to it above. I do the same fingering for C9/G but minus the index which does the splits around the peg no problem. A tricker spot was the arps on the Bb7#11 at 1:27 that I used to do over the dunlop but adapted with the half barre...much smoother sounding too.

Ricardo



Morante -> RE: Beware the Shubb Classical Capo on a Flamenco guitar! (May 7 2014 23:19:28)

quote:

after a few Jameson's


You should try Jameson´s Redbreast, if you can find it.[;)]



estebanana -> RE: Beware the Shubb Classical Capo on a Flamenco guitar! (May 7 2014 23:47:24)

Yeah sure, but it's not fair, not fair at all.

I would argue the Jim Dunlop flat capo is like giving the non virtuoso player a handicap in gold.

Sure ask a schlubby non virtuoso player to waste a finger on a chord, not chance. I don't have fingers to burn and throw way like you hot shot whipper snappers. Yeah just show off that you can move your nibble digits around a peg, see if I care. Can you do that after you throw back a few Jamisons? Ha!

You kids get off my lawn!



Ricardo -> RE: Beware the Shubb Classical Capo on a Flamenco guitar! (May 8 2014 3:00:17)

quote:

Can you do that after you throw back a few Jamisons? Ha!


That's how I learned to do it in the first place! [:D] Of course I always used to hate the trad capos cuz I would break that string twisting the thing too tight. But I have seen frayed Dunlop's break too. [;)]



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