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BarkellWH -> Cinco de Mayo Madness! (Apr. 30 2014 16:34:14)

I have been in Arizona for the past two weeks house-hunting for an anchor home in both the Scottsdale-Tempe area and in Tucson. Already I have noticed a build-up to the annual madness celebrated in the United States known as Cinco de Mayo. But this frenzy of advertising for 16 oz. margaritas and perceived celebration of things Mexican is not limited to border states like Arizona. Sports bars, pubs, and restaurants catering to university students, 30-something professionals, and others all over the U.S., including Washington, DC where I live, are preparing to celebrate the "holiday." Many, probably a significant majority, think Cinco de Mayo is Mexican Independence Day. Just as many may not have the slightest idea what it commemorates but are convinced it is a major Mexican holiday imported into the U.S. It is neither. It is actually a faux U.S. holiday.

Cinco de Mayo is a minor holiday in Mexico, officially celebrated only in the state of Puebla. It commemorates the Battle of Puebla on May 5, 1862, in which a ragtag band of some 3,000 Mexican troops and militia (the exact number is uncertain), commanded by General Ignacio Zaragoza, was sent by President Benito Juarez to defend the city of Puebla against a much larger French force of some 6,000 to 7,000 troops under General Charles de Latrille de Lorencez. The Mexicans fortified the town and defeated the French force.

In 1861, Mexico was in financial ruin and had defaulted on debts to Britain, Spain, and France. All three sent forces to Vera Cruz. Britain and Spain negotiated with Mexico and withdrew, but France, under Napoleon III, decided to press its advantage and carve out an Empire on Mexican territory, sending a fleet and troops to invade Mexico in late 1861. The timing was opportune, as the United States was engaged in the Civil War and was not in a position to simultaneously take on both the Confederacy and the French in Mexico in support of the Monroe Doctrine. The defeat of the French at the Battle of Puebla was a minor tactical victory but a major symbolic triumph. Nevertheless, Napoleon III sent more troops and in 1864 installed Austrian Archduke Ferdinand Maximilian (accompanied by his wife Carlota) as Emperor of Mexico. After the U.S. Civil War ended with a defeated Confederacy, the U.S. assisted Mexico against the French, with the French withdrawing in 1866. The hapless Maximilian was caught and executed by firing squad in 1867. The lovely Carlota was in Europe at the time trying to drum up support for Maximilian and thus escaped a similar fate. (I have always thought the story of Maximilian and Carlota in Mexico would have made a great Gilbert and Sullivan light operetta.)

Mexican Independence is celebrated on September 16th, the anniversary of the revolutionary priest Miguel Hidalgo y Costilla's "Grito de Dolores" in 1810, in the town of Dolores, the "pronunciamiento" proclaiming independence from Spain, which was finally achieved in 1821.

So on Cinco de Mayo, drink those 16 oz. margaritas and watch celebrants dance on the bar wearing Mexican sombreros. And if you happen to have your guitar with you, play a few flamenco riffs, and the crowd will go wild hearing "Mexican" music. You might even see someone of a certain vintage raising his glass and shouting "Viva Zapata," not having the slightest idea who Emiliano Zapata was, but vaguely remembering the film starring Marlin Brando as Zapata. Happy Cinco de Mayo!

Cheers,

Bill




Escribano -> RE: Cinco de Mayo Madness! (Apr. 30 2014 16:51:27)

.. and in the build-up to Cinco de Mayo, my Mexican wife just won her British Citizenship today. No pomposity, a quick song for the Queen, no oath to God or flag and a nice cup of tea with biscuits were included. I love the British way of such civic things.

Her passport will mean being able to live and work in the 28 countries of the EU without restriction or visas (the world's largest economy) and that might be considered a Mexican dream. It took us 6 years, a lot of paperwork and money but we will be up for some celebrations over the next couple of weeks.

¡Viva El Amor!




krichards -> RE: Cinco de Mayo Madness! (Apr. 30 2014 17:10:10)

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a nice cup of tea with biscuits were included. I love the British way of such civic things.


Yes that's the way to do it. Tea and biscuits! I'm pleased she passed the test ok!




BarkellWH -> RE: Cinco de Mayo Madness! (Apr. 30 2014 17:38:11)

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.. and in the build-up to Cinco de Mayo, my Mexican wife just won her British Citizenship today.


Congratulations to your wife, and to both of you, Simon. Truly, viva El Amor.

Cheers,

Bill




Leñador -> RE: Cinco de Mayo Madness! (Apr. 30 2014 20:28:52)

Congrats to you both Simon!

I'm trying to weasel EU membership through my grandparents..........




guitarbuddha -> RE: Cinco de Mayo Madness! (Apr. 30 2014 20:36:30)

That's good to hear Simon.

D.




pink -> RE: Cinco de Mayo Madness! (Apr. 30 2014 21:09:54)

Congratulations to you both.
''Bottoms up'' !!


Best

pink




pink -> RE: Cinco de Mayo Madness! (Apr. 30 2014 21:11:30)

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ORIGINAL: Lenador



I'm trying to weasel EU membership through my grandparents..........



I'm outta here!!

[:D][;)]


Best

pink




Leñador -> RE: Cinco de Mayo Madness! (Apr. 30 2014 21:39:55)

LOL

You should be safe, I don't see myself leaving Southern California for Northern England lolol.
I like sunshine. [;)]




BarkellWH -> RE: Cinco de Mayo Madness! (May 1 2014 16:19:12)

Cinco de Mayo Madness (continued). Today, May 1st, I went to the nearest Starbucks in Tempe, Arizona for my morning coffee and to read the Arizona Republic newspaper and the local "alternative" rag, the "Phoenix New Times." As I mentioned in my original post on the subject, Cinco de Mayo is a very minor Mexican holiday, celebrated officially only in the state of Puebla. Yet, in the "Phoenix New Times" there were entire pages advertising Cinco de Mayo specials, with such headlines as "Cinco de High-O," "Cinco de Drink-O," "Cinco de Pinata," etc. Cinco de Mayo in the United States is definitely a faux holiday that is a promoter's dream. It verges on mirroring the carnival barkers and snake oil salesmen of old. Nevertheless, there will be gallons of piss (otherwise known as Corona) that passes for beer drunk by thousands who wouldn't know a good Mexican beer if it were in front of them.

Cheers,

Bill




Ruphus -> RE: Cinco de Mayo Madness! (May 1 2014 17:25:27)

Congrats Simon! [:)]
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Corresponding to the winning, it appears as if being your wife might not have helped with citizenship.
It is a weird mixture of how some who reject the hosts´ custom and life-style ( if not worshipping mythology that requests the elimination of the hosts and their culture) will be granted citizenship like on the fly, no matter language or social skills, and how others though married into or even parent of kids with local ID will not.

Really weird immigration systems these days.

Ruphus




Leñador -> RE: Cinco de Mayo Madness! (May 1 2014 17:44:37)

People love an excuse to party. I know a good chunk of Mexicans that hardly heard of it till they got here, now they're more then happy to embrace it as a good time to drink cases of bud light. Lol




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Wayne Brown -> RE: Cinco de Mayo Madness! (May 1 2014 23:06:06)

I thought Cheech and Chong invented Cinco de Mayo! As they were saying they needed to be off from work because tomorrow is a holiday!
Then the boss asked, What holiday is that? They replied......Cinco de Mayo! [:)] And that's how it all started.....




BarkellWH -> RE: Cinco de Mayo Madness! (May 2 2014 13:42:35)

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I actually became an American citizen last year. After 14 years of being in the United States with a plethora of visas, I was finally able to obtain my citizenship legally.


Congratulations on attaining United States citizenship, Shroomy.

My comments on Cinco de Mayo were not meant to discourage you from going out and enjoying a few beers. Rather, they were meant to point out that most of those quaffing beers and margaritas on Cinco de Mayo completely misunderstand the celebration, thinking it is a major Mexican holiday when it is not. It is a far bigger affair in the U.S. than it is in Mexico. That, of course, does not detract from enjoying those beers and margaritas. (Even if the beer happens to be that piss that passes for beer, Corona!)

Cheers,

Bill




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Ruphus -> RE: Cinco de Mayo Madness! (May 2 2014 14:13:55)

Ain´t seen pils like German Einbecker yet.
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Congrats Shroomy!

Ruphus




Miguel de Maria -> RE: Cinco de Mayo Madness! (May 2 2014 14:22:22)

Shroomy, raise a 350 ml of Chimay for me this Fifth of May!

I actually think it's a good holiday. Just an excuse for a party. Thanks for the run-down, Bill. A Mexican co-worker had explained that to me many years ago, but not with so much detail! Somehow the episode reminds me of an obscure song about an obsure battle against the British:

http://www.folkarchive.de/benning.html




Estevan -> RE: Cinco de Mayo Madness! (May 2 2014 19:02:48)

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.. and in the build-up to Cinco de Mayo, my Mexican wife just won her British Citizenship today. No pomposity, a quick song for the Queen, no oath to God or flag and a nice cup of tea with biscuits were included.


I say, jolly good show, you two!
Here's to your very good health!

Carry on!



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Richard Jernigan -> RE: Cinco de Mayo Madness! (May 7 2014 16:34:34)

I was in Puebla once on Cinco de Mayo, the city where the holiday originated in the Mexican victory over the French.

There is--or was at that time--a large bar, decorated in florid 19th century style, at the southwest corner of the monumental main plaza. It had an impressive selection of tequilas.

I tend to agree that it must be a very minor holiday, as I remember nearly nothing about it.

RNJ




Miguel de Maria -> RE: Cinco de Mayo Madness! (May 8 2014 1:59:38)

There are other reasons to not remember a holiday.




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